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Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by dangus »

technobabbler wrote: post #32
ajxs wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A large reason why I have not moved on from Firefox is that Gecko remains the only independent full-featured browser-engine. If Firefox were to be discontinued by Mozilla, Google would gain even more control over web standards than it already has. I'm aware that there are other independent, open-source browser-engines available, I'm not aware of any others that are equally usable as an everyday browser for ordinary u…

But what's the point of Gecko now? It's not like the 2000s where Firefox was still able to affect the browser landscape and drive development. Google has become the web standards body, and Webkit/Blink are the only renderers that matter anymore. Mozilla doesn't have enough influence to change anything anymore, it just dies a little more every year as browser support for it decreases even further. It's already down to…

The only reason it "dies" is because people aren't using it. By using it, you help it to not "die."

By using Firefox you show web developers that they need to support you as a user, or risk losing your business. That in turn makes Mozilla influential.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by Lammy »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #11

Does it run on Windows 95 though?

The best you can probably do on plain Win95 is K-Meleon 1.6 (2010) http://kmeleonbrowser.org/wiki/KMeleon16

With installation of KernelEx you can try K-Meleon 74 or Opera 12:

https://retrosystemsrevival.blogspot.com/2018/05/k-meleon-74...

http://kernelex.sourceforge.net/wiki/Opera

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by NelsonMinar »

perihelions wrote: post #17
frankjr wrote: post #2

> We’ve added a User Agent override for Slack.com, which allows Firefox users to use more Call features and have access to Huddles. So now `window.navigator.vendor` returns "Google Inc." if your URL matches ` ://app.slack.com/ `. LOL. https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blob/eea0fac2cb8cae1e5a...

There's a list of UA overrides and other hardcoded website patches in about:compat.

Wow, what a collection of hacks. It reminds me of the efforts Microsoft goes to so that old programs keep working on Windows.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by jotaass »

hpoe wrote: post #23
bovermyer wrote: post #6

I can't remember why I moved from Firefox to Brave. I'm curious if I should move back again. Can anyone sell me on/off this idea?

Biggest advantage for me is the container tabs. One clicka nd I can be logged into the same service as 3 different users (regular account, test account, admin account) plus puts a firewall between work stuff and personal stuff. Really love the container tabs.

I never used this feature personally. Do you think it’s better than a separate profile which you can launch with -p flag or a profile switcher extension?

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by Osiris »

perihelions wrote: post #17
frankjr wrote: post #2

> We’ve added a User Agent override for Slack.com, which allows Firefox users to use more Call features and have access to Huddles. So now `window.navigator.vendor` returns "Google Inc." if your URL matches ` ://app.slack.com/ `. LOL. https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blob/eea0fac2cb8cae1e5a...

There's a list of UA overrides and other hardcoded website patches in about:compat.

Opera 12, with the Presto engine, had this same problem. It had a huge list of overrides (JavaScript and CSS) to fix problems with popular websites.

This is inevitable when a browser has limited market share.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by usrlocal1023 »

solarkraft wrote: post #19
frankjr wrote: post #2

> We’ve added a User Agent override for Slack.com, which allows Firefox users to use more Call features and have access to Huddles. So now `window.navigator.vendor` returns "Google Inc." if your URL matches ` ://app.slack.com/ `. LOL. https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/blob/eea0fac2cb8cae1e5a...

Kind of interesting that they don't even mention talking to Slack about just removing the check ... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1727100

They tried but Slack weren't interested. Update from 2 years ago

To summarize my current understanding: Slack's video conferencing service only support Chrome's non-standard Plan B format for WebRTC calls. And our attempts to talk to Slack about changing that were kindly rejected (we met with them shortly after they had launched the calling feature). And my repeated questions in public events about adding Firefox support were also turned down.

Source: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1626121#c4

Further clarification from last year https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1626121#c10

I have seen people mention that they have tried few more times to contact them, but Slack weren't interested.

My understanding as to why it works now, correct me if I am wrong, is because of Slack moving to using AWS Chime SDK for calls which has Firefox support and just faking the UA to Chrome tricks Slack into loads the necessary SDK/JS for calls and Chime SDK takes care of the rest.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by Eelongate »

giords wrote: post #38
bovermyer wrote: post #6

I can't remember why I moved from Firefox to Brave. I'm curious if I should move back again. Can anyone sell me on/off this idea?

Brave promotes a toxic business model centered in killing off internet's advertisement and providing their own in house solution. This is very bad for guaranteeing a healthy competition on the market, it creates an enormous walled garden. Firefox is truly multiplatform, open source, committed to privacy, security and an open web and Mozilla is an authority on these topics. Sure, they're not perfect, but so far they p…

Killing off the competition? Enormous walled garden? If that is Brave's business model, it's a delusional pipe dream. Brave trying to kill Google, or even merely match with the scale of Google's garden let alone surpass it, is like trying to cool down a volcano by pissing into it. The scale discrepancy between these two organizations is off the charts.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by shmerl »

usrlocal1023 wrote: post #46
solarkraft wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kind of interesting that they don't even mention talking to Slack about just removing the check ... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1727100

They tried but Slack weren't interested. Update from 2 years ago To summarize my current understanding: Slack's video conferencing service only support Chrome's non-standard Plan B format for WebRTC calls. And our attempts to talk to Slack about changing that were kindly rejected (we met with them shortly after they had launched the calling feature). And my repeated questions in public events about adding Firefox sup…

Such kind of attitude from Slack is disgusting.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by cxr »

ajxs wrote: post #21
bovermyer wrote: post #6

I can't remember why I moved from Firefox to Brave. I'm curious if I should move back again. Can anyone sell me on/off this idea?

A large reason why I have not moved on from Firefox is that Gecko remains the only independent full-featured browser-engine. If Firefox were to be discontinued by Mozilla, Google would gain even more control over web standards than it already has. I'm aware that there are other independent, open-source browser-engines available, I'm not aware of any others that are equally usable as an everyday browser for ordinary u…

> I'm aware that there are other independent, open-source browser-engines available, I'm not aware of any others that are equally usable as an everyday browser for ordinary users though.

Safari is both usable for everyday users and is used every day by more than those that use Firefox, which means WebKit is a viable alternative to Blink.

Re: Firefox 95 Released

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Post by authed »

Which version did they remove the cool screenshot feature? seems like they just added it.... (you could easily take a screenshot of the whole page)

Edit: Looks like Firefox 88 only moved the feature: https://techdows.com/2021/03/firefox-88-removes-screenshot-o...

I wonder what useless/detrimental move they made this time

I remember when they removed the right-click View Image not long ago... luckily there's an add-on that can bring back this basic feature.

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