I still can’t believe we are going to let a company with such a horrendous track record launch a platform that has the potential to be 90% of where we spend our waking time.
Over 200 newspapers now involved in lawsuits vs. Google, Facebook
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would get them every day and there were rarely more than one story in them that I would actually read. Maybe the problem wasn't the paper. The New York Times' target audience isn't grad students. I don't think it's all that surprising that you weren't all that interested in it. As we get older, we change. We learn more. We become interested in more things. Depending on how long it's been since grad school, you may…
The New York Times target audience isn’t a highly educated young American? Maybe that’s the problem, as pointed out?
I read multiple NY Times articles per day while in community college and university (2007-2012). I’d say there were multiple relevant articles every day. I think OP just isn’t interested in current events or the opinion pages. Which is fine. But likely not broadly representative of most news consumers.
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#133I am not sure being salty that you suck at the internet qualifies as grounds for a lawsuit
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
> removed local news from existence Removing local news has created a hyper focus on national news. People forget about their local communities where a ton is happening. This isn't good for local communities. We need more focus on the local. Not everything is national.
In the age of the internet local doesn't matter anymore. I'm now part of a community that spans the globe.
Yeah tell that to the mob when they block roads out of your town and come knocking to raid your house
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#135But what do they want? I mean aside from "make laws to force google to license our stuff, they must be forced to publish our stuff, and forced to pay for it", which is totally insane. Personally just fucking let me pay $1 per article for me to read. I will NEVER subscribe to a recurring thing, but i bet you I'll start paying a lot, as I want to read many articles per month. Paywall sure, but get the fucking subscript…
What they want is a tax. But they don't want to call it a "tax", because that's unpopular.
As Benedict Evans put it, when France fined Google for the same reasons:
> The shakedown continues. It’s hard to see how making tech companies pretend to ‘buy’ something that has little to no economic value to them is a path to a sustainable model for newspapers. If you want a tax and a subsidy, be honest and call it that.
https://twitter.com/benedictevans/status/1414856375348482050
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
> removed local news from existence Removing local news has created a hyper focus on national news. People forget about their local communities where a ton is happening. This isn't good for local communities. We need more focus on the local. Not everything is national.
In the age of the internet local doesn't matter anymore. I'm now part of a community that spans the globe.
This is completely untrue. You still live next a community and their politics effect you in ways they don’t people living hundreds of miles away. The problem is the internet convinces people they are apart of a global community and it’s all that matters. We need ways for communities to connect with each other that are modern and up to date other than following a local Facebook page.
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#137The most important factor is that on the internet local news media lose their geographical monopoly. So everyone can subscribe to NYT or WSJ no matter where they live. This effectively creates a winner takes all situation like in many other industries which get closer to a free market. Add to that the fact that classified ads have been taken over by likes of ebay, LinkedIn, craigslist, etc. Basically the business mod…
It's as close as they can get to suing the internet
If more than a metaphor then that is a good case for antitrust.
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#138I have long said the problem with paying for news is that it is rarely worth paying for. When I was in grad school there was a program that gave us "free" copies of the NYTimes and USA Today (I'm sure part of our tuition paid for it but all we had to do was swipe our student id to open the newspaper box). I would get them every day and there were rarely more than one story in them that I would actually read.
USA Today is deliberately written at a 10th grade reading level, so it’s doubtful how relevant it is for university students. But if you found only one relevant article in the NY Times then either you were consuming radio/TV news, or just don’t care about current events. Which is fine, it just means you weren’t the target audience.
> USA Today is deliberately written at a 10th grade reading level, so it’s doubtful how relevant it is for university students.
A 10th grade reading level doesn't mean they only cover stories of interest to 10th graders or younger. It just means they they use a 10th grade vocabulary and sentence structure. Most stories in the NYT could be covered at a 10th grade level and still convey most of the important information.
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#139But what do they want? I mean aside from "make laws to force google to license our stuff, they must be forced to publish our stuff, and forced to pay for it", which is totally insane. Personally just fucking let me pay $1 per article for me to read. I will NEVER subscribe to a recurring thing, but i bet you I'll start paying a lot, as I want to read many articles per month. Paywall sure, but get the fucking subscript…
What they want is a tax. But they don't want to call it a "tax", because that's unpopular. As Benedict Evans put it, when France fined Google for the same reasons: > The shakedown continues. It’s hard to see how making tech companies pretend to ‘buy’ something that has little to no economic value to them is a path to a sustainable model for newspapers. If you want a tax and a subsidy, be honest and call it that. http…
So they all want to be the BBC? They should be careful what they wish for. Having revenue stream depending on the good grace of the government seems even more dangerous.
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#140I have long said the problem with paying for news is that it is rarely worth paying for. When I was in grad school there was a program that gave us "free" copies of the NYTimes and USA Today (I'm sure part of our tuition paid for it but all we had to do was swipe our student id to open the newspaper box). I would get them every day and there were rarely more than one story in them that I would actually read.
I suppose it is to be expected from this site that there is more respect for tech douchebags sitting in their climate controlled offices than journalists risking their lives in warzones.