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OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by moeffju »

I had many similar problems, so many, in fact, that I asked for (and got) my money back for the Lion purchase. Things are a little better if you do a clean install instead of an upgrade from Snow Leopard, and a little worse if you have been upgrading from before Snow Leopard to SL to Lion.

Yesterday my SSD died (writes failing in parts of the disk), and Lion seems more stable after restoring from Time Machine (which boggles my mind). It's all very weird and I've been calling it OS X Vista for the last four weeks or so. I hope 10.7.2 fixes the rest of the ugly bugs; most of the lost features and weird defaults can luckily be fixed on the commandline or with third party tools (but this, too, feels like Windows of old - "Sure, you can simply edit this 400-character registry key to get sane behavior!")

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by ryannielsen »

Alex3917 wrote: post #86

The most annoying thing to me is that there is no longer a 'sort by kind' option for arranging files within a folder. WTF.

Don't Finder's View > Sort By and View > Arrange By options do the trick? There's also the View > View Options for tweaking all of those options per folder.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by watmough »

runjake wrote: post #52

It seems like the guy is just trolling/venting, but I've had the same thoughts of "Apple's Vista". I don't want to add to alarmist dirt tossing, but I've been running Lion since the first public betas. My thoughts each release as it evolved, long before Jobs resigned, were "I don't think Jobs is around anymore, if he were, he wouldn't let this crap go". LaunchPad, Mission Control -- these things were neat at first, b…

"My thoughts each release as it evolved, long before Jobs resigned, were "I don't think Jobs is around anymore, if he were, he wouldn't let this crap go".

LaunchPad, Mission Control -- these things were neat at first, but then they got annoying and cumbersome."

Yes, exactly what I thought. Too much junk stuffed in. A more Jobsian-approach would have cut features ruthlessly.

Even the Time Machine-ish file saving time travel is full of holes. I wrote a critique of it whilst wrestling with it was still fresh in my mind.

http://userxperience.posterous.com/document-versioning-inter...

Bits of it are great, but there are so many gotchas and bit of too small UI, it's hard to believe it got much love.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by jeromeparadis »

It's amazing and infuriating how almost each OS X release breaks many existing applications. They may cost 30$ or 60$ bucks a pop, but then you have to upgrade other vendor's app and it ends up costing you hundreds of dollars.

In Lion, I've read they changed the time machine format. Another reason for me to not upgrade is I'll have to buy something else to replace my MediaSmart server that centralizes all my backups (among other awesome features).

One begins to see the value of Windows backward compatibility approach when your always able to keep using the software you own...

If Apple wants to improve OS X here are 2 basic suggestions: 1- fix this Finder POS; if you want to do anything productive managing more than a few files, you're currently better off using the shell. Not so with Windows Explorer which is actually productive. Heck, I had to resort to using Windows the day I wanted to visually classify in folders thousands of pictures. 2- fix multi-monitor support: the insistence on keep that top menu bar sticking to a single monitor is awful. It hasn't changed since my Mac SE. I find menus sticking to Windows more useful especially when wanting to use more than one screen. Then, in Lion fullscreen, they decide to kill the second monitor? Come on. Show some multi-monitor love for once in your life. Using more than one screen on OS X is a total mess.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by pyninja »

mcantelon wrote: post #116
lzm wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm having the same experience. I got a 2011 Air (my first Mac) and Lion seems pretty decent. Scrolling feels natural, and everything seems to work as it should. My only complaints are the keyboard (as a programmer I really miss home/end/page up/page down), and that I can't reopen closed tabs in Safari.

The lack of a right mouse button is my biggest Mac pet peeve (yes, I know you can gesture on, but I find I often screw up the gesture).

How do you screw up tapping with two fingers?

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by mahyarm »

lzm wrote: post #58
mike-cardwell wrote: post #6

I upgraded my Macbook from Snow Leopard to Lion, then gave it to the girlfriend. She'd never used a Mac before. She didn't even notice that the scrolling was the opposite way round to other devices. Not until I pointed it out to her after she'd been using it for a while. I now use a Lenovo Thinkpad T420 with Ubuntu instead. It's come a hell of a long way over the past few years.

I'm having the same experience. I got a 2011 Air (my first Mac) and Lion seems pretty decent. Scrolling feels natural, and everything seems to work as it should. My only complaints are the keyboard (as a programmer I really miss home/end/page up/page down), and that I can't reopen closed tabs in Safari.

In firefox and chrome, reopening tabs is cmd-shift-t.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by uris »

Linkbait.

Really ? A Vista Moment? Microsoft puts ZERO innovation into it's products. They are boring and unimaginative. Stagnated metaphors and stale esthetics. Lion, on the other hand, is a natural progress for OS X, and form me, an amazing one.

It defiantly boosts my productivity. Not that Snow Leopard was bad, but I upgraded all of our computers while I was still beta testing Lion. It is simply a very useful upgrade,

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by piranha »

lzm wrote: post #58
mike-cardwell wrote: post #6

I upgraded my Macbook from Snow Leopard to Lion, then gave it to the girlfriend. She'd never used a Mac before. She didn't even notice that the scrolling was the opposite way round to other devices. Not until I pointed it out to her after she'd been using it for a while. I now use a Lenovo Thinkpad T420 with Ubuntu instead. It's come a hell of a long way over the past few years.

I'm having the same experience. I got a 2011 Air (my first Mac) and Lion seems pretty decent. Scrolling feels natural, and everything seems to work as it should. My only complaints are the keyboard (as a programmer I really miss home/end/page up/page down), and that I can't reopen closed tabs in Safari.

What I really like about OS X is that almost all text controls in system use old Unix shortcuts for moving around text (same as Emacs is using), so you might just learn them: ⌃a, ⌃e, ⌘ for line/document begin/end respectively. There are more of them, you can go through Emacs tutorial to learn them.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Post by leon_ »

narkee wrote: post #3

I don't experience any of the issues the guy mentions in his article. Sometimes I wonder how some people's configurations get so wonky that they have all these issues. It's clearly an atypical case.

> Sometimes I wonder how some people's configurations get so wonky

Warez. Many expensive applications (especially audio/3d editing software) comes with a dongle. To "crack" the apps people write kernel extensions that simulate such dongles.

Mix that with a new kernel and you get the perfect disaster.

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