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YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by rmah »

necovek wrote: post #263
dannyw wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is completely legal for businesses to deny service as long as it's not a protected class. I, as a freelancer, refuse to work with certain "difficult" clients at my sole discretion for example.

As a freelancer, you are usually not working with "the public". A bunch of professions require special licensing to be able to deal with the public (supermarkets included, but even one-man professions like public notaries in some countries), and while there is no similar legislation for internet "places", we can easily establish de-facto public services (which most social networks are). So, if you've got an open shop…

In the US anyway, as the parent said, yes you can deny service for any or no reason except for specific protected classes (e.g. sex, race, religion, etc.). You can, for example, deny service to anyone wearing red. Or anyone who is not an adult (or not a child). You can deny service to anyone named Jeeves.

There are, of course, edge cases. For example, a shopping mall is a private space but not in and of itself a retailer. IIRC, they are held to a higher standard than retailers and must have a real reason to deny entry. And then there are the cases of using one reason to deny service when really you want to deny service to a protected class. Those are common lawsuit material.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by ComodoHacker »

kaetemi wrote: post #227
gfaster wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I understand what YouTube does is super super difficult to do at scale as well as they do, I do not envy their competitors. Given that, I don't believe ever hoping for an actual competitor to pop up is reasonable, instead we should start thinking about how we can ensure fairness, inclusivity, and democracy(?) on what exists. I'm not sure what the best way to go about it is, but I know that advertiser and co…

An Internet standard for video delivery and ISP edge caching might be a nice way out... Unfortunately that all seems to be proprietary money making territory right now.

Can we have something like 'municipal fiber' for content? With help of IPFS perhaps?

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by reginold »

thijser wrote: post #258

Update: 3 hours after posting and being on the hacker news front page: Automated email out of the blue: "We’re pleased to let you know that we’ve recently reviewed your YouTube account, and after taking another look, we can confirm that it is not in violation of our Terms of Service. We have lifted the suspension of your account, and it is once again active and operational." Thanks hacker news for voting this up and…

Would be great if you edited to update your post about what changes your making to your usage of google services because of this.

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Post by throw10920 »

gwerbret wrote: post #283

Presumably, many Googlers who are directly involved in designing and implementing content moderation are active readers of Hacker News, as is evidenced by the fact that having a story hit the front page is an effective way to solve problems like these. But what I never see is any of those Googlers taking the time to explain why they feel these seemingly-broken approaches are the only ways to solve the problem of mode…

> But what I never see is any of those Googlers taking the time to explain why they feel these seemingly-broken approaches are the only ways to solve the problem of moderation at scale.

From my experience with a very large bureaucracy, I believe the answer to this is "the worker bees don't believe this; the requirement to implement automated moderation [in this way] is imposed by managers and/or executives" - and speaking up can get you retaliated against.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by yxwvut »

acdha wrote: post #191
cft wrote: post #167

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The problem is their monopoly power over video distribution on the internet: disgruntled users have nowhere else to go. All alternatives are stifled by the monopoly.

People have tons of alternatives. The problem is that ad subsidies pay more than most viewers are willing to pay after generations of internet users have been conditioned to think of content as free.

The problem is an incumbency/network effect problem. Sure, the ad-supported model helped them get off the ground, but it's not what's keeping them #1. The larger your library, the greater your value to viewers, and, thereby, the greater your value to content creators, increasing your library, increasing your viewership, etc. Virtually every tech company out there has massive incumbent advantages. Unless you can offer a differentiated service (eg: Tik Tok vs Instagram), your business is DOA.

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Post by nabakin »

thijser wrote: post #258

Update: 3 hours after posting and being on the hacker news front page: Automated email out of the blue: "We’re pleased to let you know that we’ve recently reviewed your YouTube account, and after taking another look, we can confirm that it is not in violation of our Terms of Service. We have lifted the suspension of your account, and it is once again active and operational." Thanks hacker news for voting this up and…

I guess HN is the new YouTube customer service department

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Post by mbostleman »

thijser wrote: post #258

Update: 3 hours after posting and being on the hacker news front page: Automated email out of the blue: "We’re pleased to let you know that we’ve recently reviewed your YouTube account, and after taking another look, we can confirm that it is not in violation of our Terms of Service. We have lifted the suspension of your account, and it is once again active and operational." Thanks hacker news for voting this up and…

Good outcome, but having to be on the front page of HN doesn't scale.

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Post by throw10920 »

eldaisfish wrote: post #248
narrator wrote: post #230

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There's Rumble, Odysee, Bitchute, Peertube, etc. Just post it there.

to be seen by whom? I'm pretty tech savvy and have heard of none of these. Not a single one.

I've heard of all of those - mostly through my friends.

However, as to your larger point - you're right, most people don't know about these.

I would argue that those who want to escape Google's grasp should be willing to encourage person-to-person sharing as an alternative to the recommendation algorithm. Sure, 99.99% of the population isn't browsing PeerTube, but I bet you that most of them would be willing to watch a video hosted there if it was suggested to them by their friends.

This might be a good idea in general. Think of how much better ecosystems we would have if people relied on their friends to make personalized recommendations to content on any platform, as opposed to engagement-optimizing automated algorithms that exclusively recommend content on a single platform.

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Post by reginold »

jug wrote: post #131
101008 wrote: post #53

I know losing a YouTube channel is horrible, especially after you dedicated so much time, effort and money - and for some people it may be a source of income as well. It is totally unfair. But my nightmare in here is that you lose access to your whole Google account and that would devastate me. Not only email access (and thus, access to every service I use because I have my Google account linked to it), but also Goog…

I've thought about the same. I rely on Google too much. But "too much" is really only e-mail and cloud storage (Google Drive) for me. I only rely on cloud hosting for photos for a select few albums I intentionally want to share a link to, not as a full cloud of all my photos that I then rely on being there. I offload my phone and camera every now and then to local storage (NAS) at home, a hard drive in a safe deposit…

for #1 you can take it step by step. get your own domain, name@domain.com for $10 a year. hook that address up to gmail so you can send as name@domain.com. then get comfortable with that, set it as your default reply from, tell friends, etc. then 6 months later, a year later or whenever youre comfortable you can move off gmail. only send from name@domain, and have gmail forward all your emails to that account. no one you contact will see anything different. then if you ever need to again switch in the future you're free to do so, and you're always name@domain.com.
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