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Goodbye Brave

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Re: Goodbye Brave

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post #33

Brave is a bit shady with its hard coded ad whitelist. That does not scream "user trust".

There is no hard-coded ad whitelist. This is misreporting from years ago, based on an individuals confusion over a filename. Brave does not whitelist any third-party ads or trackers. Sampson (Brave Team)

Correct me if I am wrong but Brave doesn't block ads in Google search results [1]. Wouldn't that be part of an ads whitelist?

[1] https://i.ibb.co/nPfpdP7/image.png

Re: Goodbye Brave

#212

I posted here on HN asking if Brave mobile was broken for anyone else one night, for little response. My wife and I both use Brave, and it just hung at startup. Unsatisfied, I checked the Reddit sub the next day, and saw tons of complaints. Apparently if the Brave backend is down, it won't even launch. This is a huge problem that makes me entirely skeptical of not only the browser, but that anyone in charge has any i…

Brave team member here. This was not a server issue but was a daylight savings time bug.

Thank you Pete.

Is there a link or can you share more? Why would a DST bug prevent an app from opening at all?

Re: Goodbye Brave

#213
post #35

Hi author, if you're here on HN please consider ditching sketchy extensions like Ghostery (sells your user data) and Adblock+ (participates in paid bypass of "acceptable ads" program) for the open-source and user-focused uBlock Origin ( https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock ). Also, if you haven't tried Firefox since the quantum days come back and give it another try.

I think it's at least worth having the discussion about "acceptable ads". While reasonable people can disagree, I personally think that unobtrusive advertising that doesn't harvest your data should be a valid business model.

I can see why you would say that, but remember ads are ultimately paid for by the person watching the ad. If the company didn’t have to pay marketing expenses, it would be able to sell the product cheaper.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no hard-coded ad whitelist. This is misreporting from years ago, based on an individuals confusion over a filename. Brave does not whitelist any third-party ads or trackers. Sampson (Brave Team)

Correct me if I am wrong but Brave doesn't block ads in Google search results [1]. Wouldn't that be part of an ads whitelist? [1] https://i.ibb.co/nPfpdP7/image.png

By default, Brave tends to leave first-party advertising alone. As such, Google ads on Google sites aren't usually blocked in Brave. Google Ads on non-Google sites are, since they are one of the primary means by which user-data is harvested across the Web. We believe that you should have the right to run ads on your own domain(s). That said, Brave offers an 'Aggressive' mode (via the shields) which will go even further than our default behavior, and blocking numerous ads and other elements even when they belong to the domain being visited.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brave team member here. This was not a server issue but was a daylight savings time bug.

Thank you Pete. Is there a link or can you share more? Why would a DST bug prevent an app from opening at all?

Great question! Dates and times are one of the most loathed obstacles in writing software that needs to work a particular way across millions of devices situated all across the globe in different regions and time zones.

In our case, we had a bit of code that aimed to measure the time until midnight/tomorrow. But when clocks change at midnight (jumping forward or backward), you can wind up with days that appear to be longer than 24 hours in length. And when a day is more than ~24hr in length, you wind up with unexpected answers to seemingly simple math equations.

A bit of logic, responsible for setting up a timer, wound up scheduling numerous timers when our 'How long until tomorrow' code began returning negative numbers. That set of unintended timers locked-up the application itself. You can see our issue for the behavior here: https://github.com/brave/brave-core/pull/11030.

For 10 minutes of anxiety, check out 'The Problem of Time & Timezones' from Tom Scott of Computerphile: https://youtu.be/-5wpm-gesOY. It's a fantastic summary of the issues programmers face when dealing with time :)

Sampson (Brave Team)

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you Pete. Is there a link or can you share more? Why would a DST bug prevent an app from opening at all?

Great question! Dates and times are one of the most loathed obstacles in writing software that needs to work a particular way across millions of devices situated all across the globe in different regions and time zones. In our case, we had a bit of code that aimed to measure the time until midnight/tomorrow. But when clocks change at midnight (jumping forward or backward), you can wind up with days that appear to be…

Thank you Sampson.

I apologize for my hasty comments. Based on the Reddit thread I had seen, it seemed most people were blaming a down server - and to a user, that's what it -felt- like too, seeing as there wasn't an app update or anything recent. I'm thrilled to hear that wasn't the case, and appreciate the explanation. Sounds like we're staying with Brave then!

Re: Goodbye Brave

#217

Hi author, if you're here on HN please consider ditching sketchy extensions like Ghostery (sells your user data) and Adblock+ (participates in paid bypass of "acceptable ads" program) for the open-source and user-focused uBlock Origin ( https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock ). Also, if you haven't tried Firefox since the quantum days come back and give it another try.

What about PrivacyBadger and Disconnect? Are they even needed at this point? I have a PiHole with a fairly huge block list (~1.2M entries) and uBlock Origin and I keep wondering if I stay only with them, will it be enough?

Pi-Hole and uBO are enough by themselves.

> To benefit from uBlock Origin's higher efficiency, it's advised that you don't use other content blockers at the same time (such as Adblock Plus, AdBlock). uBlock Origin will do as well or better than most popular ad blockers. Other blockers can also prevent uBlock Origin's privacy or anti-blocker-defusing features from working properly.

https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock

Re: Goodbye Brave

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post #88

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Microsoft has changed a lot. They should probably have changed their name, at least for dev-related stuff. I think maybe you have a 1990's era Microsoft view?

Windows is full of ads. They are pushing Edge on users who select other browsers as default. Have they really changed?

I don't like Edge, but the comment suggests one may like the product and only "if you can live with the fact that it is from Microsoft" one could use it.

My suspicion is that this sort of comment is motivated by a 1990's view of Microsoft. They much different company now, for sure.

I'd say Apple did something worse than ads with the image scanning privacy invasion. Even retroactive in time. This is no go for me. But many are OK with this sort of disrespect by Apple while pointing fingers on others like MS? I don't think it's a good line of thought...

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great question! Dates and times are one of the most loathed obstacles in writing software that needs to work a particular way across millions of devices situated all across the globe in different regions and time zones. In our case, we had a bit of code that aimed to measure the time until midnight/tomorrow. But when clocks change at midnight (jumping forward or backward), you can wind up with days that appear to be…

Thank you Sampson. I apologize for my hasty comments. Based on the Reddit thread I had seen, it seemed most people were blaming a down server - and to a user, that's what it -felt- like too, seeing as there wasn't an app update or anything recent. I'm thrilled to hear that wasn't the case, and appreciate the explanation. Sounds like we're staying with Brave then!

It's alarming how cavalier people are with spreading made-up explanations when something isn't working as expected. But we're always here and happy to chat about what's actually happening (provided there is indeed an issue, and we have it understood). Thank you for allowing us a moment to share more information; I hope the DST topic and aforementioned video on Time and Timezones wasn't too frightening, lol :)

Sampson (Brave Team)

Re: Goodbye Brave

#220
post #66

For people discussing alternatives, consider LibreWolf. It is firefox with the privacy nob turned to 11 out of the box, have been daily driving it for a few months now without any issues. https://librewolf.net/

Biggest issue - it does not auto update.

Updating one machine manually is okay, multiple machine - no.

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