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SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by pmarreck »

rat9988 wrote: post #138
junon wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your first link's sample pool was high schoolers and young 20 y/os - people who haven't had their brains fully form yet (which happens around 25). Further, it was funded by the Australian department of health, so ehhh who knows what sort of biases exist there. I can't even open your second link. Picking sources from a Google search generally doesn't help to back up whatever point you're trying to make fwiw.

This is the most biased answer I've ever read I believe.

Did he say anything disprovably false?

I mean, I'm also arguing against him in this thread, but this comment in particular doesn't really stand out to me

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by GordonS »

darthrupert wrote: post #124
GordonS wrote: post #106

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I'm a medical user. What do you know that my doctor doesn't?

You don't seriously think you represent the majority of cannabis users, right?

What? Of course not! You made a blanket statement, and I simply refuted that by pointing to a large group that doesn't fit with it.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by pmarreck »

hypertele-Xii wrote: post #80
bryans wrote: post #65

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I smoke every day, but I've also come close to dying from it[0] on a number of occasions. There are definitely potential risks, but with that said, I completely agree with your points. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_hyperemesis_syndro...

"This article needs more medical references for verification [...]"

if this is the medical problem that the dude himself almost died from, I'm pretty sure there's some validity to it

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

donatj wrote: post #122
boibombeiro wrote: post #90

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> Toxic distilled alcohol isn't. Do you realize this ideia of poison alcohol was propaganda done by the government during prohibition, right? We know how to distill from millenniums, and selling poisonous alcohol isn't a very sustainable business model... I remember reading an article about the success of this campaign (was one of the first of this kinda). I'm mobile, but I'm sure someone can find a post a link.

> Do you realize this ideia of poison alcohol was propaganda done by the government Methanol poisoning is a VERY real thing. Methanol is easily accidentally produced when using a poorly calibrated still and not throwing out enough of the early product, particularly while processing alcohol made from corn where pectin helps create methanol. It’s very real and very dangerous. The problem is ethanol (the good alcohol) l…

>Methanol is easily accidentally produced when using a poorly calibrated still and not throwing out enough of the early product,

Easily? Yes.

Easily done unintentionally? No way in hell.

You don't even need to calibrate anything, just throw out the first bunch of stuff that comes out of the still. There's a ~10deg hop after the methanol is done boiling during which the still almost stops producing. You just throw out everything that comes before (and during) that reduced flow.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by pmarreck »

hereforphone wrote: post #10

Wait I was told that when it was legalized there would be no more underground drug market. Seems things aren't as simple as they seem on the surface.

It's almost like demonizing a plant was never something that should have happened in the first place.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by GordonS »

lillecarl wrote: post #85
Thorentis wrote: post #73

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Not based on fact? Which facts are those? Certainly not these ones I'm guessing? https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2021/01/long-term-study-r... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

Worth noting that cannabis is illegal in Australia, so if anything it could point towards people willing to ignore the law are more likely to X and Y rather than the cannabis being the cause. But I'm just playing devils advocate here, I doubt daily consumption of any stimulant is great in the long term, but cannabis is probably not worse than anything else really.

Just as an FYI, medical cannabis is legal in Australia, though AFAIK it is only available privately, and the system is over-burdened with regulations and costs (similar to the situation in the UK).

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

pmarreck wrote: post #145
boibombeiro wrote: post #90

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> Toxic distilled alcohol isn't. Do you realize this ideia of poison alcohol was propaganda done by the government during prohibition, right? We know how to distill from millenniums, and selling poisonous alcohol isn't a very sustainable business model... I remember reading an article about the success of this campaign (was one of the first of this kinda). I'm mobile, but I'm sure someone can find a post a link.

> this ideia of poison alcohol was propaganda done by the government during prohibition imagine believing propaganda about propaganda. congrats, man, you've come full-circle. methanol poisoning is very real, and methanol is definitely present in the "heads" of distillations (speaking as someone who's done this), and since there isn't a clear delineation between what is the "head" and what is the "body", it's entirely…

> and since there isn't a clear delineation between what is the "head" and what is the "body"

At any appreciable scale you get a reduced flow/pause in output as the mixture finishes boiling off the methanol and has to increase in temp before boiling the ethanol. It's a 10+ degree temp change so it's not instant. You need to be creating a small batch on a heat source that's way overkill to not have a defined difference.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by darthrupert »

junon wrote: post #132
darthrupert wrote: post #88

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It's not good for you when used so frequently. Once or twice a week is fine, perhaps even good for you due to relaxing and mood-enhancing effects. Every day is stretching it and risking a dependence. But hey, I don't have to power to forbid you anything. I'm just saying how it is. You can just choose to ignore this and keep using every day.

But you've not stated any studies backing this up. You're just passing by like a judgmental parent.

And why does that seem to worry you so much? Do you worry that I'm right, or am I offending you by saying this?

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by zdragnar »

nicoburns wrote: post #98
zdragnar wrote: post #56

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The bits about "you dont understand unless you connect with the culture" and "its all love" read to me like stereotypes straight from the 60's. That kind of thing is an extreme minority in most places- weed culture is no less mercantile than any other. The la la stuff exists, to be sure, but so does my neighbor offering to share veggies from their garden. Either way, I don't think it's got much bearing on the illegal…

> The la la stuff exists, to be sure, but so does my neighbour offering to share veggies from their garden. In my experience there's quite a bit of overlap between the kind of people who like to smoke weed and the kind of people who like to grow their own vegetables and sell them from their garden. Perhaps less so in cities. I think this is one of those stereotypes that has quite a bit of truth to it.

There certainly is, but they aren't doing volume. Farmers and grocery stores (to stick with the analogy) are doing the volume work here, so as matters of policy, it just doesn't add much.

Re: SF suspends cannabis tax to help dispensaries compete with drug dealers

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Post by [deleted] »

nicoburns wrote: post #93
boibombeiro wrote: post #90

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> Toxic distilled alcohol isn't. Do you realize this ideia of poison alcohol was propaganda done by the government during prohibition, right? We know how to distill from millenniums, and selling poisonous alcohol isn't a very sustainable business model... I remember reading an article about the success of this campaign (was one of the first of this kinda). I'm mobile, but I'm sure someone can find a post a link.

> Do you realize this ideia of poison alcohol was propaganda from the government, right? Eh, I'm not sure about that. There are stories in the newspaper every few years about a corner stop selling cheap bootleg alcohol that has caused someone to go blind (or die) because it contained too much methanol. I for one am quite glad that alcohol production is well regulated.

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