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Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by s_dev » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

adamdonahue wrote: post #117

marginalia_nu wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if this is satire.

There's an opportunity here. Put the video on both YouTube and a blockchain, make it easy to find on the latter via the YouTube URI, then when one discovers a non-working link you YouTube you can pivot to the blockchain-based backup. Once enough people know about this hack it then, with a browser plug-in, censorship be gone! This is obviously off-the-cuff, undetailed thinking here, but an approach like this might mak…

How does a YouTube 404 turn in to a working link? You don't control what You Tube displays on their 404.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by alfl » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 1:22 PM UTC

pornel wrote: post #3

Why are you using legacy centralized web 2.0 platforms ruled by fiat money? Put your video on IPFS, give it an ens.domain, mint an NFT for it. With an eth filecoin bridge it will fund its own censorship-resistance forever. That tech is great and has obsoleted web 2.0. Don't trust Google, self-govern!

This, but non-ironically, and with distributed discovery.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by zucker42 » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 1:23 PM UTC

101008 wrote: post #53

I know losing a YouTube channel is horrible, especially after you dedicated so much time, effort and money - and for some people it may be a source of income as well. It is totally unfair. But my nightmare in here is that you lose access to your whole Google account and that would devastate me. Not only email access (and thus, access to every service I use because I have my Google account linked to it), but also Goog…

The simple solution is never use the same google account for YouTube and Gmail/Drive.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by resonious » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 1:24 PM UTC

dandare wrote: post #65

> I am a paid Youtube Music subscriber The saying goes that if you don't paid for it then you are the product. So I subscribed to YouTube Music family plan, thinking I won't be the product. But my wife's account will always return an error saying that she is in a different country or something. I tried to reach the support for help but never got any reply. In the end I cancelled the subscription. Google is simply too…

I've been thinking the same thing lately. When YouTube released "YouTube Red" and later YouTube Premium, there was kind of a glimmer of hope. Like finally, we can just pay and not "be the product" anymore!

But then stuff like this happens. You get just as little support as when you were ad food.

Definitely makes one want to try and find non-big-tech solutions to things.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by reginold » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 1:25 PM UTC

101008 wrote: post #66

cube00 wrote: post #61

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You have the power TODAY to change that. Do it before you lose access. Start with a Google Takeout and get your email out into your own domain as a starting point. Search "self hosting" for more details, even if you have no interest in running your own servers it gives you lots of good ideas to regain more control over your own data.

My main fear about that is not doing it properly and my email stop working as expected. For the nature of my job (press) I send a lot of emails to people who don-t know me, asking for interviews, etc. If my email starts to fall into spam folder, my job would be impossible. Gmail gives me that and I don't have to worry about if this person received the email or not.

you can somewhat limit the downside just by getting your own domain and setting it up as an email. Even still using this linked to gmail is better than nothing. when things go haywire you still control me@domain.com or whatever so you just take it to another service. I did this, and then a few months felt comfortable enough to move to fastmail. recipients have no idea, it's still me@domain.com, had no problems with deliverability.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by pixl97 » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 1:26 PM UTC

ziml77 wrote: post #112

EvanAnderson wrote: post #104

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Why is it my problem that a fair moderation process must be cost-effective for Google, et. al.? Edit: Google's profit margins aren't my problem. If they want to be such a big, all-encompassing force in the "digital lives" of individuals they need to be held to account with fair policies for dealing with Customers. If that creates an untenable business for them they can either innovate in a manner that results in a fa…

Because the process requires people and people cost money. And without attaching a cost to it, there would be far more requests for manual review coming in than any team Google hires could handle.

"There are too many safety considerations for us to effectively mitigate, it would be too expensive, so we should be allowed to ignore safety altogether" --average 19th century industrialists

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by you-liquidated » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 1:28 PM UTC

dandare wrote: post #65

> I am a paid Youtube Music subscriber The saying goes that if you don't paid for it then you are the product. So I subscribed to YouTube Music family plan, thinking I won't be the product. But my wife's account will always return an error saying that she is in a different country or something. I tried to reach the support for help but never got any reply. In the end I cancelled the subscription. Google is simply too…

> The saying goes that if you don't paid for it then you are the product.

So true. This is why I switched from free Linux to paid Mac, and why I've started replacing open-source apps with commercial ones.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by dorfsmay » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 1:28 PM UTC

sebow wrote: post #60

pornel wrote: post #3

Why are you using legacy centralized web 2.0 platforms ruled by fiat money? Put your video on IPFS, give it an ens.domain, mint an NFT for it. With an eth filecoin bridge it will fund its own censorship-resistance forever. That tech is great and has obsoleted web 2.0. Don't trust Google, self-govern!

Or maybe just use another hosting platform.There are at least 5 good reliable choices that are not from "FAANG"-tier platforms.

Which ones beside Vimeo?

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by otrahuevada » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 1:28 PM UTC

bambax wrote: post #41

The problem is not the content of the video, crypto or not. The problem is not that YT moderates aggressively (it doesn't do enough IMHO) or even how it moderates. The problem is that there is no serious appeals process, and no third party oversight of moderation decisions. This is true for all the big platforms. How do we fix that, IDK, but probably at the government level.

Google famously sucks at customer service, mostly because they've figured that they'd have to pay a moderation team more money than whatever they'll lose from the few and far between problem cases there might be.

There is no fixing that without massive corporate reorganization, which won't be voluntary, and thus will take 10x the time with worse results. At this point this is just the Google way to do things, and making smaller fry follow this rules will probably only end up making Google bigger.

The one real way out there might be is making one-click self hosting viable again.

Re: YouTube suspended my account for posting DeFi hackathon video

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Post by dannyw » Mon, Dec 06, 2021, 1:29 PM UTC

necovek wrote: post #84

thijser wrote: post #37

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When I try to visit Youtube now I get redirected to https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/40039?p=youtube which says: --- Google reserves the right to: * Disable an account for investigation. * Suspend a Google Account user from accessing a particular product or the entire Google Accounts system, if the Terms of Service or product-specific policies are violated. * Terminate an account at any time, for any reason…

How do these things work in the physical world? I always thought we had protections that when someone runs a public service (eg. a restaurant or a supermarket), they can't just turn people away they want for "any reason". But I was never confident this is true (and sure, it depends on the local laws). Eg. imagine there being the only supermarket in your area where the security person (or the branch manager, whoever)…

It is completely legal for businesses to deny service as long as it's not a protected class.

I, as a freelancer, refuse to work with certain "difficult" clients at my sole discretion for example.