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OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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What really annoys me is that they broke all my development tools for no good reason (where did gcc go?), broke my wireless, and the new features are underwhelming at best. If I had it to do over again I would definitely not upgrade.

You have to install the new version of XCode. That should pull in all of the relevant development tools. They're not a part of the standard OSX install.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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post #21

My personal Lion problems have been Chrome and TweetDeck. 1) Chrome crashes all the time to the point of almost being unusable. I've tried removing extensions, and Flash and it doesn't seem to matter. I also have a problem where typing in Chrome's address bar is like typing in molasses. Each letter take about a second to appear. This problem started after my upgrade to Lion. 2) TweetDeck seems to throw the entire win…

The last two or three releases on the dev branch of Chrome seem to have cleared up all the Chrome crashes for me. It was however unusable for a few weeks right after the Lion release.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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What this article doesn't mention is the horrendous problems with Lion Server. Permissions (via Get Info) that you can set, but that magically don't get set for no apparent reason. Server app that can't do something so simple as assign users to groups (Poof, your assignments are gone. No reason, no explanation). SMBX is a steamy pile of sh!t that is nearly unusable. It constantly drops Windows clients for no apparent reason. Didn't save? Tough cookies. It renders many applications unusable that worked fine in Samba. It retains file locks, so that after you close a document you can't open it again.

I abandoned SMBX and compiled Samba 3.6.0 It's stable. Doesn't drop connections. No retained file locks. The apps that SMBX broke run again. But it also ignores Mac ACLs. Only recognizes Posix permissions, so this comes with its own set of problems. There's no way to force AFP to use a particular umask when creating files, and by default, Mac clients have a umask of 022, so even if you enable set-GID to force a group assignment, you can't force group permissions without re-configuring every Mac on the network to use a umask of 002. Very painful.

The only redeeming thing about this whole experience is that we have a blazingly fast Thunderbolt RAID array (something that is only possible on Lion unless you really want to use a Macbook Pro as a server). If you ignore their Server app, use Workgroup Administrator instead, and set all permissions from the command line, AFP works like a dream.

And for those who would say, "Why don't you use Linux then?" We used to. Both Netatalk and Samba get horribly slow when you are working with very large file systems. Netatalk because the CNID DB gets unwieldy, and Samba because of problems running case-insensitive sharing on a case-sensitive filesystem.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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post #3

I don't experience any of the issues the guy mentions in his article. Sometimes I wonder how some people's configurations get so wonky that they have all these issues. It's clearly an atypical case.

I'm guessing he upgraded an older mac. I have a new macbook air and don't have any problem.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hah! I don't actually believe it was to "hurt" anyone, It was just a bit of hyperbole. I do, however, think that Apple's vision for the future of desktop computing is sans multiple monitors.

> I do, however, think that Apple's vision for the future of desktop computing is sans multiple monitors. Which is very weird considering their Thunderbolt monitor is specifically marketed for use with their laptops, and for chainability (so not just 2 monitors but at least 3).

Yup. This image (from Apple's marketing material) makes me optimistic: https://ssl.apple.com/displays/images/overview_hero2.jpg

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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post #3

I don't experience any of the issues the guy mentions in his article. Sometimes I wonder how some people's configurations get so wonky that they have all these issues. It's clearly an atypical case.

I agree, I haven't had these issues either. Lion has worked very well for me and my old MacBrook Pro is actually faster because of it. The one persistent bug I have is opening files/links into full-screened apps. For example, clicking a link in Twitter won't switch the screen to Chrome if it's in full-screen and I've had worse problems on that front.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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post #3

I don't experience any of the issues the guy mentions in his article. Sometimes I wonder how some people's configurations get so wonky that they have all these issues. It's clearly an atypical case.

I agree, I haven't had these issues either. Lion has worked very well for me and my old MacBook Pro is actually faster because of it. The one persistent bug I have is opening files/links into full-screened apps. For example, clicking a link in Twitter won't switch the screen to Chrome if it's in full-screen and I've had worse problems on that front.

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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When 10.5.0 Leopard came out an replaced 10.4.x Tiger, it was quite buggy until around 10.5.3. Aside from Snow Leopard which was a special case, new OS X releases are typically buggy for the first few months. Vista was a dog because it was slow, resource intensive, and Microsoft never issued any updates to fix it. The only thing I thought was a bad idea in Lion was Time Machine snapshotting your local HD every hour,…

>Vista was a dog because it was slow, resource intensive, and Microsoft never issued any updates to fix it.

That's somewhat disingenuous. RTM Vista and Vista today are hardly the same thing, and Microsoft was pushing out updates to fix updates within the first couple of months it was on the market. The infamous slow file copy bug being a great example of this:

http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2007/04/17/222983/Mic...

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me either. He specifically mentions Steam, and I was just playing TF2 last night on my 2008 MBP with no issues. I have not personally experienced any of the items that that he is reporting on either of my home systems, both of which are running Lion. This article smacks of link bait.

I would have to disagree. Have experienced at least 5 of the things that he mentions on two separate Macs. Address book, which he doesn't mention, has also been redesigned and had a number of very useful features removed.

Which five things?

Also, did you do a clean install recently, which would indicate that configurations should still be fine, or did you upgrade from a previous OS, which could (but shouldn't) have an unusual/broken configuration?

Re: OS X Lion: Apple’s Vista moment

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post #37

Lion is not Vista. Vista (IMHO) had a rotten core where as Lion doesn't. There are, however, issues that I suspect will be fully resolved via another update or two. When I upgraded to Lion I experienced a few minor stability issues (particularly with Finder) so I performed a clean install. Have had no issues since. I would be curious to see stability of a machine that has been upgraded from 10.5 -> 10.6 -> 10.7 vs on…

>Vista (IMHO) had a rotten core

Windows 7 would suggest you're dead wrong about this. W7 is largely Vista with some polish and a rebranding.

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