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Goodbye Brave

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Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by [deleted] »

leodriesch wrote: post #123
fastball wrote: post #93

Everyone wants to talk the respective merits of Brave vs Firefox vs ____, but I just want to talk about how the post itself is dumb. You're installing an extension from a web store. Of course it doesn't work if there is a problem with the backend servers. Where do you expect to get the extension from?

As far as I understood the backend issue was on Braves end, while the Chrome Web Store was fine. So installing the extension worked in Chrome, but not in Brave, because they had some backend problems, while the installing of an extension should not need the Brave servers at all.

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Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by NavinF »

newscracker wrote: post #70

Emphasis mine in the below quote: > "Arunmozhi is a freelance programmer and an open-source enthusiast." I'm surprised, shocked and dumfounded that Firefox is not even mentioned while Vivaldi and Chromium are being considered. For someone who put up with Brave for years and its other issues, it really seems strange that Firefox is not in consideration.

Is it really surprising that he’s only looking at Chromium based browsers? The trigger that ultimately caused him to drop Brave was being unable to use an extension from the Chrome Web Store. Switching to Firefox doesn’t fix that.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by mclightning »

I am still using Brave, but I am immensely bothered by them forcing us into using their own wallets (out of deals they make, None uses Uphold! except forced by Brave) instead of any decentralized option.

Then constant bugs when paying out BAT rewards, causing you to lose them, but never refunds you.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by bavxo »

newscracker wrote: post #70

Emphasis mine in the below quote: > "Arunmozhi is a freelance programmer and an open-source enthusiast." I'm surprised, shocked and dumfounded that Firefox is not even mentioned while Vivaldi and Chromium are being considered. For someone who put up with Brave for years and its other issues, it really seems strange that Firefox is not in consideration.

He’s an open source enthusiast, not an idiot.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by RMPR »

zwayhowder wrote: post #129
cmeacham98 wrote: post #6

Hi author, if you're here on HN please consider ditching sketchy extensions like Ghostery (sells your user data) and Adblock+ (participates in paid bypass of "acceptable ads" program) for the open-source and user-focused uBlock Origin ( https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock ). Also, if you haven't tried Firefox since the quantum days come back and give it another try.

I want to use Firefox as my daily driver, but the inability to remap the keyboard shortcuts for tabs prevent me using it. On Linux Firefox maps Alt+# to tabs. I have two problems with that. Firstly on Windows Firefox uses the Control key, so now I have to remember a different shortcut for my work PC vs my gaming PC. Secondly I run i3wm and alt is my mod key.

> Secondly I run i3wm and alt is my mod key.

Out of curiosity, why do you use alt instead of super?

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by concinds »

schleck8 wrote: post #142
concinds wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox is less secure, as has been said many times here already. You might dislike the Blink hegemony but they're the only ones who invest enough in security. Vivaldi's closed source, and Firefox doesn't have site isolation on all platforms yet. (Neither does Safari). Chrome had it in 2018. 3 years is not excusable when a 0day can be the difference between freedom and jail (or worse). "Privacy" is defective when you…

Only the UI layer of Vivaldi is closed source I think

I don't want to diss Vivaldi, I just haven't researched the company behind it well enough to trust it for myself. I'll leave it to others to do the research and make up their opinions themselves.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by jks »

whakim wrote: post #35
cmeacham98 wrote: post #6

Hi author, if you're here on HN please consider ditching sketchy extensions like Ghostery (sells your user data) and Adblock+ (participates in paid bypass of "acceptable ads" program) for the open-source and user-focused uBlock Origin ( https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock ). Also, if you haven't tried Firefox since the quantum days come back and give it another try.

I think it's at least worth having the discussion about "acceptable ads". While reasonable people can disagree, I personally think that unobtrusive advertising that doesn't harvest your data should be a valid business model.

There is e.g. https://www.ethicalads.io/ which I have chosen to allow in my uBlock Origin settings, since their ads aren't too obtrusive and they (at least claim that they) only target ads using IP geolocation and site keywords. But I'm sure it's hard for them to grow their business, since most people in the target audience will probably be using an ad blocker in which they will have to make a specific exception.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by drdeca »

ahelwer wrote: post #44
whakim wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's at least worth having the discussion about "acceptable ads". While reasonable people can disagree, I personally think that unobtrusive advertising that doesn't harvest your data should be a valid business model.

Then let people who believe that go stare at ads. Submitting yourself to manipulation out of a sense of duty to the viability of a business model is deeply weird. Alternatively, if you believe those ads don't affect you then why does it matter whether they're displayed in your browser or not?

I do see potential value in being informed by an ad of a type of product I didn’t know existed.

The type of ads I strongly dislike for reasons beyond like, breaking pages and tracking, are ones that repeatedly show for something which I already know exists in order to promote a brand.

If someone wants to put up an ad for “we make any bronze parts”, well, I looked to see if any of them were cheap enough to get as a gag (none of them were, but still).

If a company wants to remind me over and over of their company name that everyone is already familiar with, that is irritating.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by pseudalopex »

zinekeller wrote: post #148
_dckk wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't, depending on your definition. You get them to sign it (given the speed - 5-10 minutes for a medium sized extension - it seems automated) and then when they click to download the signed xpi file it prompts them to install, saying "[domain] would like to install [extension name]." This is the same prompt you get in the official Mozilla addons site.

You can turn them off basically except their "rapid release" releases - and even then, you can get unbranded Mozilla-compiled builds that can unlock the functionality (on desktop). Google has something to do why the Android Firefox is crippled: before Firefox 68 was released, the Google reviewers actually rejected it owing to the addons system. (Yes, I know Kiwi browser exists. I don't understand the reviewers' logic…

Can unbranded Firefox check for updates now?
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