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Goodbye Brave

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Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by kaba0 »

i13e wrote: post #34
sombremesa wrote: post #4

Weird that this person doesn’t even consider Firefox, the only browser that lets you have Adblock and other addons on mobile (but not on iOS, sadly).

I find it strange that on threads about Brave people promote Firefox and vice versa, whether it's a positive or negative article. Free software isn't a competition and if it were Mozilla lost to Chromium a long time ago.

That’s why we should prefer Mozilla, because it is an actual independent implementation of the grossly huge web standards, not dependent on Chromium?

Without it we loose the standard part of the whole web, and it will be “whatever chrome does is the standard”.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by ACow_Adonis »

roenxi wrote: post #47
whakim wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's at least worth having the discussion about "acceptable ads". While reasonable people can disagree, I personally think that unobtrusive advertising that doesn't harvest your data should be a valid business model.

It was a surprise to me, but there is a group of people - possibly native to tech circles, possibly a broader group - who appear to be genuinely angry about the existence of advertising as a thing. Let alone if they personally have to view ads. It is a bit confusing to be honest. There seems to be something very upsetting happening but exactly what is causing that response I can't pick out.

I don't want ads on my web pages and TV in the same way I don't want ads in my novels, on my bedroom ceiling, in my bathroom, in my car, in my mail, the same way I don't want to be proselytised to, recieve junk mail, spam, view propoganda, etc.

once you understand not desiring one, you can understand not wanting the rest, since they're all fundamentally the same thing.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by fastball »

Everyone wants to talk the respective merits of Brave vs Firefox vs ____, but I just want to talk about how the post itself is dumb.

You're installing an extension from a web store. Of course it doesn't work if there is a problem with the backend servers. Where do you expect to get the extension from?

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by toxik »

roenxi wrote: post #47
whakim wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's at least worth having the discussion about "acceptable ads". While reasonable people can disagree, I personally think that unobtrusive advertising that doesn't harvest your data should be a valid business model.

It was a surprise to me, but there is a group of people - possibly native to tech circles, possibly a broader group - who appear to be genuinely angry about the existence of advertising as a thing. Let alone if they personally have to view ads. It is a bit confusing to be honest. There seems to be something very upsetting happening but exactly what is causing that response I can't pick out.

Ads are a plague, no doubt. That’s why they need to use such heavy handed tactics to get you to see them, like holding your attention hostage before you can see the video clip that you actually wanted to see.

You have just normalized this absurdity because it’s been around for so long. Ads are terrible for people’s mental health, because the best way to sell a product is to create a need for it. In other words, by making you feel incomplete and insufficient.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by silisili »

I posted here on HN asking if Brave mobile was broken for anyone else one night, for little response. My wife and I both use Brave, and it just hung at startup.

Unsatisfied, I checked the Reddit sub the next day, and saw tons of complaints. Apparently if the Brave backend is down, it won't even launch.

This is a huge problem that makes me entirely skeptical of not only the browser, but that anyone in charge has any idea of what they are doing. Currently testing alternatives...

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by fastball »

thayne wrote: post #11
krisrm wrote: post #2

Seems a little ironic to call out a piece of software whose literal job it is to connect to the internet for... Connecting to the internet. Tongue in cheek aside, I don't know much about Brave - is there some specific reason that it needs an always-on server to call home to?

Perhaps a little ironic, but very valid. You shouldn't have to connect to brave servers to be able to go to your search engine, email,local network service, etc.

Right but that's not what happened. The author needed to be able to connect to Brave's servers in order to install an extension to the browser from the chrome web store, to where Brave is proxying requests.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by tecoholic »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #6

Hi author, if you're here on HN please consider ditching sketchy extensions like Ghostery (sells your user data) and Adblock+ (participates in paid bypass of "acceptable ads" program) for the open-source and user-focused uBlock Origin ( https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock ). Also, if you haven't tried Firefox since the quantum days come back and give it another try.

Hi, author here. Thanks for the suggestions.

1. I haven't followed Ghostery, AdBlock+ devs since I started using Brave. Sad to learn of their status. I will look at uBlock Origin. 2. Firefox was a memory and CPU hog and I always usef it as a test browser or a secondary browser, until Brave. Then I started using Chrome as secondary and dropped Firefox. I will give Firefox another try. Thanks again.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by leshenka »

aero-glide2 wrote: post #78
newscracker wrote: post #70

Emphasis mine in the below quote: > "Arunmozhi is a freelance programmer and an open-source enthusiast." I'm surprised, shocked and dumfounded that Firefox is not even mentioned while Vivaldi and Chromium are being considered. For someone who put up with Brave for years and its other issues, it really seems strange that Firefox is not in consideration.

I have two problems with Firefox - I use "print to pdf" often and Chromium renders that more accurately. Some sites are better supported on Chromium. Other than these two, Firefox is very good. (On the other hand, Firefox mobile is quite slow).

> Some sites are better supported on Chromium

This is "self eating snake" type situation. Many webdevs ignore Firefox because of its market share and this yields worse support. People don't like "worse support" and use it as argument (excuse) for using Chrome.

However I've only noticed problems in Firefox with various "chrome experiments" and WebGL performance. Oh and sometimes it's hanging and taking too long to load some source maps on large projects.

Re: Goodbye Brave

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Post by brnt »

whakim wrote: post #35
cmeacham98 wrote: post #6

Hi author, if you're here on HN please consider ditching sketchy extensions like Ghostery (sells your user data) and Adblock+ (participates in paid bypass of "acceptable ads" program) for the open-source and user-focused uBlock Origin ( https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock ). Also, if you haven't tried Firefox since the quantum days come back and give it another try.

I think it's at least worth having the discussion about "acceptable ads". While reasonable people can disagree, I personally think that unobtrusive advertising that doesn't harvest your data should be a valid business model.

That sounds exactly like what Brave is trying to do. They're pretty upfront about that, unlike Adblock, last I checked. It's not hard to check out of this in Brave in any case.

I'm not sure the author has checked the same for the alternatives he mentions. The closed source nature of Vivaldi (their tarballs only contain their copy of Chromium) makes it a weird recommendation, in any case.

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