Nothing in the APL requires he transfer the git repos to them. If they own the license, he needs to update the license and copyright statements to match reality, maybe send them a courtesy copy in a tarball or whatever. That's all. Copyight cannot demand this ridiculous thing.
Bumble claims IP rights on employee's open-source libs
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#72Re: Bumble claims IP rights on employee's open-source libs
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Copyright is automatically the employer's in the UK: the term is "in the course of employment", and no contractual language is required. The employer is effectively the author. What that term means is a matter of case law, and is different if you are contracted / self-employed. Typically it is interpreted in a pro-employer manner, and if you are employed to write code then then assume that all the code you write is y…
So does that mean there is literally nothing I can do about it? Except becoming a contractor?
Re: Bumble claims IP rights on employee's open-source libs
#74I've asked this before and never got a straight answer, but I'll ask again: what exact clauses do I need to modify in the employment contract, and what exactly must they say, in order to avoid this sort of situation? (relevant to UK employment that is). If you've solved this for yourself, please tell us all how and what it's written in yours so we can do the same. Here is a link to what my previous employment contrac…
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#75I've asked this before and never got a straight answer, but I'll ask again: what exact clauses do I need to modify in the employment contract, and what exactly must they say, in order to avoid this sort of situation? (relevant to UK employment that is). If you've solved this for yourself, please tell us all how and what it's written in yours so we can do the same. Here is a link to what my previous employment contrac…
Good luck.
Re: Bumble claims IP rights on employee's open-source libs
#76Here the question is even a little bit more interesting than just the "open source" code you created I think: There is lot of discussion about the ownership of the code, but what about the other things related to the project? Like stars and issues. In no way stars and issues belongs to the company, they belongs to each user that submitted them. They submitted them to the project that was on a specific username. So, I…
ex: the White House account on Twitter is not the property of some social media manager but US Gov
we do a lot of OSS and are careful each time about upstream vs fork vs from scratch.. i think key parts of the Bumble story aren't being said because I'm struggling to imagine a modern eng culture where this would happen , and the author's repo seems savvy.
Re: Bumble claims IP rights on employee's open-source libs
#77I've asked this before and never got a straight answer, but I'll ask again: what exact clauses do I need to modify in the employment contract, and what exactly must they say, in order to avoid this sort of situation? (relevant to UK employment that is). If you've solved this for yourself, please tell us all how and what it's written in yours so we can do the same. Here is a link to what my previous employment contrac…
You need to get something that explicitly says what you want; if you want the freedom to work on one particular open source project then get them to give you that clause; but also thinkw hether you want it more general; It's very difficult because my understanding is you can't even do drive-by fixes in random projects without an OK.
For another project I've asked them to write me an email from their legal department stating I own copyright for that code and they won't try to claim it. They've done that after a few months passed... It's a small victory I guess.
But I want a proper solution we could all agree on (both as employees and as employers as both are relevant to me right now). Currently I'm gathering all the feedback in this thread and I would love to receive copy pastes from existing employment contracts to formulate a strategy.
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#78edit: And I don't even publish OSS anymore but if you're willing to go after an employee for something this petty what else would you go after them for.
Re: Bumble claims IP rights on employee's open-source libs
#79I've asked this before and never got a straight answer, but I'll ask again: what exact clauses do I need to modify in the employment contract, and what exactly must they say, in order to avoid this sort of situation? (relevant to UK employment that is). If you've solved this for yourself, please tell us all how and what it's written in yours so we can do the same. Here is a link to what my previous employment contrac…
When I got my first programming job in Canada I've already had active product. I have informed them about it and I've also asked them to agree that whatever I am working on in my private time is my property as long as it is not in direct competition and / or not based on employer's code. They did not mind at all.
Re: Bumble claims IP rights on employee's open-source libs
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
That isn't what he said – just it's the employer's by default. So get a contract that makes your outside work explicitly yours.
OK, that's good to hear. But now I need suggestions and feedback... In a previous thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24220858 I've suggested the following: 13.8. $COMPANY and any Group Company will not attempt to claim copyright, intellectual property rights, nor patent right to any creation done outside of working hours (also known as employees free time), outside of the premises, and not using any $COMPANY…