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Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Replying to sibling: no, he was not - it was obvious, even to a low-level recreational player (like me)

Copying what I said in another reply: I'm referring to move 133, right after Ian moved his queen from H6 to H7, attacking the rook. Magnus ignores this and moves his E5 pawn to E6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWkBeTwbfj4&t=29890s

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Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Vishy Sir during the end game commentary said that the engines say it’ll be a draw. Where/which move did Ian make the mistake? Anyways, hats off to everyone involved. Magnus, Ian, commenters, and the chess twitterati. What a game! ~8hrs!!!

This is why evaluation bars are misleading. Computer will say it's equal but for one side, every move is equal and for the other side, you have to make the only drawing move each time. I wouldn't say that Ian made a mistake. That position was winning for white after pawn on h4 was traded. It's not Leela vs Stockfish, it's two humans playing. Defending with solo queen against RNPP w/ connected pawns is extremely hard…

The computer also does not take time limits into consideration. If the players could take as much time as they wanted, they might have been closer to the perfect match.

Maybe that would be a fun concept. A game where the players would start with 1 year on the clock?

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Bit of a spoiler :( I prefer to watch analysis of games from YouTubers like Agadmator or Jerry from Chessnetwork and discover who the winner was by watching the game. I wonder if these long games are not particularly helpful. Most chess final games end in draws as players are reluctant to create an imbalance and instead play it safe. There tends to be more exciting games played in games with a shorter time limit. I'm…

You all need to watch GothamChess if games of chess seem boring :) I love Jerry, and I do watch him occasionally. But https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhJl3BKA-n8&ab_channel=Gotha... is well done. (If you do want to watch Gotham for this particular match, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoY5RSCi5pE&ab_channel=Gotha... starts the series, I think.)

Gotham is focussed on entertaining the masses and aims his content for folks below 1500. If you are closer to 1800-2000, you aren't going to enjoy GothamChess content much.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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I think that chess.com pays some people to use their website on streams, etc. Although Lichess isn't perfect and it's kinda annoying. One of the bad things about Lichess is how unrealistically inflated their ratings are; 2100 on Lichess is equivalent to about 1800 on Chess.com. Chess.com is much more similar to the FIDE rating and other real-world systems. Lichess is just super inflated for some reason and it makes i…

Just forego pathetic chess.com and fide ratings, lichess is the best thing that happened to chess since castling.

Why is lichess so good? Just because it’s free?

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Bit of a spoiler :( I prefer to watch analysis of games from YouTubers like Agadmator or Jerry from Chessnetwork and discover who the winner was by watching the game. I wonder if these long games are not particularly helpful. Most chess final games end in draws as players are reluctant to create an imbalance and instead play it safe. There tends to be more exciting games played in games with a shorter time limit. I'm…

You can watch the commentary by Judith Polgar. Of all the people I enjoy watching her live commentary because she has amazing insight into best moves and explains the reasoning behind it. For few of previous matches by Magnus, she found moves that even Magnus had missed.

Yeah Judit/Anish and Judit/Surya combos have been amazing for the 6 matches so far. It helps that Judit is a Catalan player and Magnus is choosing her opening.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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And unfortunate choice of news outlet. As a developer, I can't help mentioning how baffling it is part of the chess community keeps using a proprietary website filled to the brim on dark patterns while a better and free as in freedom alternative is available.

I think that chess.com pays some people to use their website on streams, etc. Although Lichess isn't perfect and it's kinda annoying. One of the bad things about Lichess is how unrealistically inflated their ratings are; 2100 on Lichess is equivalent to about 1800 on Chess.com. Chess.com is much more similar to the FIDE rating and other real-world systems. Lichess is just super inflated for some reason and it makes i…

Its just a relative number. After getting to your stable rating, you don't care about the actual number, you are just focussed on improvement.

Lichess is overall better in my opinion, better & slicker product, free analysis, opening explorer etc. Chess.com only leads in video content imo.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Thank you for the explanation. I think I agree with you. Chess is only a thing because people have played chess for a long time. Different time limits are a different kind of game -- neither better nor worse, but different from the things that made tournament-style chess popular. Perhaps with computers it's time to retire the existing notion of chess tournaments. But people still seem interested, much as we still wat…

Humans aren't computers. A machine can throw a fastball at speeds well above what humans can do. That doesn't mean we retire pitchers completely and end the game of baseball. A car can cover 100m in a fraction of the time humans can, doesn't mean we end track and field. Chess is a game between humans and that's what makes it exciting. And with computers we have a whole additional layer added where we can see what an…

We probably have the technology to have races using self driving cars without drivers (perhaps with more accidents). It may be interesting to watch, but it would be a different sport

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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This is why evaluation bars are misleading. Computer will say it's equal but for one side, every move is equal and for the other side, you have to make the only drawing move each time. I wouldn't say that Ian made a mistake. That position was winning for white after pawn on h4 was traded. It's not Leela vs Stockfish, it's two humans playing. Defending with solo queen against RNPP w/ connected pawns is extremely hard…

The computer also does not take time limits into consideration. If the players could take as much time as they wanted, they might have been closer to the perfect match. Maybe that would be a fun concept. A game where the players would start with 1 year on the clock?

That's kind of how mail chess is, isn't it?

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Just forego pathetic chess.com and fide ratings, lichess is the best thing that happened to chess since castling.

Why is lichess so good? Just because it’s free?

It's because there's a very hard working person focused on making great software without relying on profitable privacy abuse. Go donate to them.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Bit of a spoiler :( I prefer to watch analysis of games from YouTubers like Agadmator or Jerry from Chessnetwork and discover who the winner was by watching the game. I wonder if these long games are not particularly helpful. Most chess final games end in draws as players are reluctant to create an imbalance and instead play it safe. There tends to be more exciting games played in games with a shorter time limit. I'm…

"It was the first decisive game in the classical rounds of a world championship in over five years." I wonder if there’s some way other than time constraints to encourage higher variance moves.

The usual suggestions are things like making a draw worth 1/3 of a win instead of 1/2, so that positions with more variance actually have higher EV for both players. Obviously this wouldn't work for a match like the current one, though: if there are only two people in the tournament, it's still zero-sum. A lot of people also don't like this sort of plan in general for other reasons.
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