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Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by DSMan195276 »

montblanc wrote: post #31

I don't know much about chess but Magnus throwing away his queen like that (traded his queen + rook for two rooks), was that a common thing to do? Looked outrageous to me but what do I know.

A queen for two rooks is not too crazy, whether it's worth it depends a lot on the position. The naive piece worth suggests that two rooks (5 each) is worth more than a single queen (9), but in practice it's more complicated. I would say though, as someone who's not amazing at chess that was definitely one of the most significant moments in the game for me - Not that Magnus was making a mistake, but that he was creating a very big imbalance in the pieces which was going to make the game get a lot more interesting.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by tanmay7270 »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #23
loh wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was an absolutely incredible match to watch live. Historical. My jaw dropped when Magnus ignored his rook being attacked at the end in favor of the potential fork with his knight. It is ultimately what led to the sure win.

The match was already lost at that point. Two moves before that, Stockfish 14 has mate in 49.

Did Stockfish have a mate at 131. Kh4 Qe6+?

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by anoncow »

lvass wrote: post #42
jjbinx007 wrote: post #5

Bit of a spoiler :( I prefer to watch analysis of games from YouTubers like Agadmator or Jerry from Chessnetwork and discover who the winner was by watching the game. I wonder if these long games are not particularly helpful. Most chess final games end in draws as players are reluctant to create an imbalance and instead play it safe. There tends to be more exciting games played in games with a shorter time limit. I'm…

And unfortunate choice of news outlet. As a developer, I can't help mentioning how baffling it is part of the chess community keeps using a proprietary website filled to the brim on dark patterns while a better and free as in freedom alternative is available.

Are you referring to lichess? I second that if yes.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by jfengel »

kjgkjhfkjf wrote: post #14
jfengel wrote: post #6

What does "first decisive game in the classical rounds of a world championship in over five years" mean?

When Carlsen previously defended his title agains Fabiano Caruana, all the classical (slow) games were draws. The championship was decided by rapid games, where Carlsen demolished Caruana. I love both playing and watching rapid chess, but I think it's better for the world championship to be decided using classical time limits. That way, we get more interesting games, rather than the indignity of top players blunderin…

Thank you for the explanation.

I think I agree with you. Chess is only a thing because people have played chess for a long time. Different time limits are a different kind of game -- neither better nor worse, but different from the things that made tournament-style chess popular.

Perhaps with computers it's time to retire the existing notion of chess tournaments. But people still seem interested, much as we still watch Usain Bolt despite him being outclassed by cars and even bicycles.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by ajkjk »

lvass wrote: post #42
jjbinx007 wrote: post #5

Bit of a spoiler :( I prefer to watch analysis of games from YouTubers like Agadmator or Jerry from Chessnetwork and discover who the winner was by watching the game. I wonder if these long games are not particularly helpful. Most chess final games end in draws as players are reluctant to create an imbalance and instead play it safe. There tends to be more exciting games played in games with a shorter time limit. I'm…

And unfortunate choice of news outlet. As a developer, I can't help mentioning how baffling it is part of the chess community keeps using a proprietary website filled to the brim on dark patterns while a better and free as in freedom alternative is available.

I think that chess.com pays some people to use their website on streams, etc.

Although Lichess isn't perfect and it's kinda annoying. One of the bad things about Lichess is how unrealistically inflated their ratings are; 2100 on Lichess is equivalent to about 1800 on Chess.com. Chess.com is much more similar to the FIDE rating and other real-world systems. Lichess is just super inflated for some reason and it makes it kinda hard to compare your progress to other metrics.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by pg_bot »

I feel like the 30 second increment is a bit cheesy given the time constraints of classical chess. Magnus was down to less than a minute but can just make some quick moves to add several minutes back to his clock. If you have an increment it should only be 1-2 seconds regardless of time format.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by jstx1 »

tanmay7270 wrote: post #52
ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The match was already lost at that point. Two moves before that, Stockfish 14 has mate in 49.

Did Stockfish have a mate at 131. Kh4 Qe6+?

Yes. You can check it out here - http://analysis.sesse.net/ - just click on history. (Sesse is Stockfish with a lot of compute, you can also follow it live during the games). At 131 it says "White mates in 47".

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by bananamerica »

jacobolus wrote: post #47
jjbinx007 wrote: post #5

Bit of a spoiler :( I prefer to watch analysis of games from YouTubers like Agadmator or Jerry from Chessnetwork and discover who the winner was by watching the game. I wonder if these long games are not particularly helpful. Most chess final games end in draws as players are reluctant to create an imbalance and instead play it safe. There tends to be more exciting games played in games with a shorter time limit. I'm…

"It was the first decisive game in the classical rounds of a world championship in over five years." I wonder if there’s some way other than time constraints to encourage higher variance moves.

I'm not an expert, but, from what I can gather, every time someone suggest a solution online they're immediately countered by multiple strong and sound counter arguments.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by montblanc »

School-Cotton wrote: post #34
montblanc wrote: post #31

I don't know much about chess but Magnus throwing away his queen like that (traded his queen + rook for two rooks), was that a common thing to do? Looked outrageous to me but what do I know.

It looks like he traded just his Queen for two rooks.

Ah sorry my bad

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by fullwaza »

montblanc wrote: post #31

I don't know much about chess but Magnus throwing away his queen like that (traded his queen + rook for two rooks), was that a common thing to do? Looked outrageous to me but what do I know.

There are values associated with pieces. Without considering the position, a pawn would = 1, Knight = 3, Bishop = 3.5, Rook = 5, and Queen = 9. I've not seen the game yet, but if he traded a Queen for 2 rooks that isn't such a bad deal.
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