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Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by YawningAngel »

jstx1 wrote: post #88
sillysaurusx wrote: post #83

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You all need to watch GothamChess if games of chess seem boring :) I love Jerry, and I do watch him occasionally. But https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhJl3BKA-n8&ab_channel=Gotha... is well done. (If you do want to watch Gotham for this particular match, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoY5RSCi5pE&ab_channel=Gotha... starts the series, I think.)

Gotham's style isn't for everyone, he can get pretty annoying. One good thing to say about him is that he really gets how beginners think and he's good at highlighting the moments of "this is what a beginner would do and this is why the really good players do something else".

I think Gotham's style is very oriented towards entertainment. I don't mean this as a criticism - he has successfully entertained a lot of people. But I feel like I learn more from ChessNetwork. The absolute peak for me are the recaps Peter Svidler used to record for Chess24, such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJlVjicymKI - I haven't seen such deep and insightful analysis of games anywhere else.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by iechoz6H »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #21
jjbinx007 wrote: post #5

Bit of a spoiler :( I prefer to watch analysis of games from YouTubers like Agadmator or Jerry from Chessnetwork and discover who the winner was by watching the game. I wonder if these long games are not particularly helpful. Most chess final games end in draws as players are reluctant to create an imbalance and instead play it safe. There tends to be more exciting games played in games with a shorter time limit. I'm…

You can watch the commentary by Judith Polgar. Of all the people I enjoy watching her live commentary because she has amazing insight into best moves and explains the reasoning behind it. For few of previous matches by Magnus, she found moves that even Magnus had missed.

Judit Polgár [1]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judit_Polg%C3%A1r

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by [deleted] »

jfengel wrote: post #54
kjgkjhfkjf wrote: post #14

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When Carlsen previously defended his title agains Fabiano Caruana, all the classical (slow) games were draws. The championship was decided by rapid games, where Carlsen demolished Caruana. I love both playing and watching rapid chess, but I think it's better for the world championship to be decided using classical time limits. That way, we get more interesting games, rather than the indignity of top players blunderin…

Thank you for the explanation. I think I agree with you. Chess is only a thing because people have played chess for a long time. Different time limits are a different kind of game -- neither better nor worse, but different from the things that made tournament-style chess popular. Perhaps with computers it's time to retire the existing notion of chess tournaments. But people still seem interested, much as we still wat…

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Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by [deleted] »

thaurelia wrote: post #76
ajkjk wrote: post #55

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I think that chess.com pays some people to use their website on streams, etc. Although Lichess isn't perfect and it's kinda annoying. One of the bad things about Lichess is how unrealistically inflated their ratings are; 2100 on Lichess is equivalent to about 1800 on Chess.com. Chess.com is much more similar to the FIDE rating and other real-world systems. Lichess is just super inflated for some reason and it makes i…

You cannot compare ratings between these websites and FIDE for two reasons: - they use different rating systems (Elo for FIDE, Glicko-2 for LiChess and afair, Glicko/Glicko-2 for chess.com) - ELO / Glicko rating is calculated for a _player pool_. Which means it will never correspond between FIDE-registered players and chess websites because they don't have the same player base. It has nothing to do with being “inflat…

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Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by thaurelia »

YawningAngel wrote: post #101
jstx1 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gotham's style isn't for everyone, he can get pretty annoying. One good thing to say about him is that he really gets how beginners think and he's good at highlighting the moments of "this is what a beginner would do and this is why the really good players do something else".

I think Gotham's style is very oriented towards entertainment. I don't mean this as a criticism - he has successfully entertained a lot of people. But I feel like I learn more from ChessNetwork. The absolute peak for me are the recaps Peter Svidler used to record for Chess24, such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJlVjicymKI - I haven't seen such deep and insightful analysis of games anywhere else.

You might be right in your assumption. I've watched Tata Steel 2021 live with Peter Leko (ex WC challenger btw) and Tanya Sachdev analysing the games live without computer assistance (except eval bar sometimes but no lines) and then watched Gotham's recap the next day. The difference was obvious with Levy missing the most interesting variations and positions in the game, which is funny because he probably uses engines for these analysis videos.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by jll29 »

jfengel wrote: post #49
initialized wrote: post #7

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lots of games at this level result in draws, this was a win.

That was the one thing I found distractingly wrong in Queen's Gambit. It completely glossed over the sheer number of draws. I'm a dilettante at chess, and even I know that. (I gather that the number of draws may have been lower at the time, but they showed few or none.)

It's perhaps a shortcoming of the medium – lack of time – and to keep the script short & engaging for the viewers. In a similar vein, computer nerds are shown to write code or hack systems in no time, when in reality a lot of high-concentration hours are burned, but from the outside watching someone stare at a screen doing not much other than think just isn't that exciting, and in the same way chess games ending in draws again and again aren't that exciting to watch for lay viewers. Also, films like that tend to ignore the "team" element (whether it's in sports or computing) and tend to over-emphasize the single protagonist "genius", also unrealistic.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by _old_dude_ »

iechoz6H wrote: post #102
ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can watch the commentary by Judith Polgar. Of all the people I enjoy watching her live commentary because she has amazing insight into best moves and explains the reasoning behind it. For few of previous matches by Magnus, she found moves that even Magnus had missed.

Judit Polgár [1] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judit_Polg%C3%A1r

Every time i see her, i see Anya Taylor-Joy in the Queen Gambit ...

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by loh »

tanmay7270 wrote: post #48
loh wrote: post #17

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It was an absolutely incredible match to watch live. Historical. My jaw dropped when Magnus ignored his rook being attacked at the end in favor of the potential fork with his knight. It is ultimately what led to the sure win.

You mean Rf7 when he ignored the *pawn on e6 being attacked by the queen for a potential fork with the knight (Qxe6 Ng7+)?

I'm referring to move 133, right after Ian moved his queen from H6 to H7, attacking the rook. Magnus ignores this and moves his E5 pawn to E6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWkBeTwbfj4&t=29890s

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by thom »

Genuinely enjoyable and timely game. Out of prep early, machine evaluations useless throughout, plenty to play for and Magnus's quality and stamina showed.

I'm of the opinion that there's nothing to gain from fans having engines open during a game, despite working in sports analytics and ostensibly being on the side of the machines. Obviously engines have a lot to say about the modern game, and the match so far had clearly been dominated by excellent prep by both teams. But the excellent commentary on Levitov Chess World by the peerless Peter Svidler, Vladimir Kramnik and Evgenij Miroshnichenko was firmly of the opinion that we had a game on our hands throughout. They were correct.

I looked into some stats from the most recent TCEC superfinal just to get a feel for the error bars in engine evaluations. I think it's clear that even up to about +1.5, a draw is still on the cards between the superhuman engines, let alone humans. About a quarter of the superfinal games were decisive, despite us treating them as oracles. They're far more accurate in their draw predictions - in games that reached a 0.0 evaluation, only 3 ended with a win.

But in this game, even when we hit the tablebase results, where the result is a foregone conclusion for the machines, they still don't reflect the outcome of a human game, especially when the time controls start to get more stressful.

Anyway, what a wonderful, reassuring game. The players will be exhausted and it sets up a fascinating weekend of play. I couldn't be happier.

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