Never seen it before, looks interesting. I'd rather spend $12 than install the Epic launcher, it's on GOG and Steam too.
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Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store
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you should learn more about Tim Sweeney. he is all about store openness. read his rants about the windows 8 and windows 10 store(s) for example.
Having not read them I would be shocked if they differed dramatically from the points Gabe Newell makes about those same stores. At the end of the day both companies are trying to avoid getting squeezed out by a platform-pack-in monopoly.
well with a thick fuzzy qualifier like "differed dramatically" I can't say which side of that you'd end up on, but I can say that his views differ.
they were different and compelling enough to get Microsoft to adopt most (maybe all, by now) of what he insisted upon.
Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store
#43What is with people and not wanting to install EGS on their pcs? Is it just the hip thing to do, they've seen it plastered all over reddit so they've decided to jump on board? It's another game store... they have 1-2 free games every single week, and they're not junk games. Get the free games on the website and when you come around to installing it someday you'll have a huge library. There was backlash against Steam…
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Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store
#44What is with people and not wanting to install EGS on their pcs? Is it just the hip thing to do, they've seen it plastered all over reddit so they've decided to jump on board? It's another game store... they have 1-2 free games every single week, and they're not junk games. Get the free games on the website and when you come around to installing it someday you'll have a huge library. There was backlash against Steam…
Because it's a terrible client with virtually no features, yet their business tactics strongarm players into using it. Nobody likes to be forced to use a certain product. EGS doesn't even offer a fraction of what Steam can do. Here's what I can come up with off the top of my head; I'm sure others can chime in with more. Steam has a robust marketplace, with user reviews and a slew of sorting and shopping cart features…
A hugely important addendum: Steam is owned by Valve, which is not a publicly traded company. GabeN's private hat empire can do whatever it wants.
Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store
#45Huhhh, I'm a huge epic games fan, I've used UE4 for years prior... but having to download another "steam" client for DRMs makes it a huge turn off. I don't need another launcher agent on my computer for your auto-update telemetry loving nonsense, for trying out a game I might not even like!
it's like gamers WANT a monopoly. I do not understand capital-G Gamers, man. they're a very silly lot.
Natural monopolies are fine; coercive monopolies are not. As long as Valve offers a better product/service at a cheaper cost than their competition and that's why they have a monopoly, then there is nothing wrong with that.
Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because it's a terrible client with virtually no features, yet their business tactics strongarm players into using it. Nobody likes to be forced to use a certain product. EGS doesn't even offer a fraction of what Steam can do. Here's what I can come up with off the top of my head; I'm sure others can chime in with more. Steam has a robust marketplace, with user reviews and a slew of sorting and shopping cart features…
(Not the person you're replying to) These are all reasonable complaints! I, personally, barely care about _any_ of them (in particular, I don't think I've ever read a review on Steam, I almost-never play multiplayer or modded games, and I would hate to stream my games), so, for me, Epic is exactly as fully-featured as Steam is - but these are reasonable reasons why other people might feel a gap. (EDIT: in particular,…
EGS still doesn't have a cart?!
IMO it speaks to a disturbing implication of priorities on the part of EGS. The concept of a cart isn't exactly groundbreaking in ecommerce, and its absence suggests to me that the store's primary purpose isn't to easily allow humans to purchase games.
Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because it's a terrible client with virtually no features, yet their business tactics strongarm players into using it. Nobody likes to be forced to use a certain product. EGS doesn't even offer a fraction of what Steam can do. Here's what I can come up with off the top of my head; I'm sure others can chime in with more. Steam has a robust marketplace, with user reviews and a slew of sorting and shopping cart features…
Well, Steam also started by strongarming players into it if you want to play Half Life 2. Also Steam is still strongarming players by Steamworks integration. Half of AAA games use Steamworks, and if you don't want to use Steam, you can't play the game, even if you buy a boxed copy.
Asking genuinely, what are these AAA games that require Steamworks? None of the big publishers require use of Steam (EA / Ubisoft / Activision), most of them have their own launchers that get launched anyway when you open their games via Steam.
Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
(Not the person you're replying to) These are all reasonable complaints! I, personally, barely care about _any_ of them (in particular, I don't think I've ever read a review on Steam, I almost-never play multiplayer or modded games, and I would hate to stream my games), so, for me, Epic is exactly as fully-featured as Steam is - but these are reasonable reasons why other people might feel a gap. (EDIT: in particular,…
EGS still doesn't have a cart?! IMO it speaks to a disturbing implication of priorities on the part of EGS. The concept of a cart isn't exactly groundbreaking in ecommerce, and its absence suggests to me that the store's primary purpose isn't to easily allow humans to purchase games.
Exactly right. This is it right here. It's openly hostile to users, especially considering the broader context of Weeny's pejorative comments about his customers.
Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store
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Why are you resisting installing steams first real competition which gives devs a bigger cut and regularly throws free games at you?
Because competing with steam through exclusive deals and free games is not competing, it's racing to the bottom. I don't see any actual improvements or innovations in the Epic Games Store, it looks like a pure money grab.
Steam has a massive head start and Epic has huge barriers to entry. You can make a super nice launcher and it's not going make many inroads among those who already have all their games and friends on Steam. Epic is throwing money at the problem, but they have few other real options. Where is the money grab (especially in free games)?
How is Epic the bad guy here when Steam is in a monopoly position? Epic should be commended for taking them on (and Apple and Google).
Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store
#50Huhhh, I'm a huge epic games fan, I've used UE4 for years prior... but having to download another "steam" client for DRMs makes it a huge turn off. I don't need another launcher agent on my computer for your auto-update telemetry loving nonsense, for trying out a game I might not even like!
it's like gamers WANT a monopoly. I do not understand capital-G Gamers, man. they're a very silly lot.
As a user, the Epic store is massively inferior to the Steam store on the merits. The UI is worse, the download and update speeds are worse, the interface is worse, the portability is worse, the social layer is worse, almost everything about it is worse. You're acting like they're remotely comparable in end-user experience, which they aren't. Gamers don't necessarily want a monopoly, they just don't want to be forced to use a shittier store to play certain games. If Epic actually put any effort into their store I think there would have been a lot less backlash.