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Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by morticiansflame »

naikrovek wrote: post #23
keyle wrote: post #7

Huhhh, I'm a huge epic games fan, I've used UE4 for years prior... but having to download another "steam" client for DRMs makes it a huge turn off. I don't need another launcher agent on my computer for your auto-update telemetry loving nonsense, for trying out a game I might not even like!

it's like gamers WANT a monopoly. I do not understand capital-G Gamers, man. they're a very silly lot.

TBF, monopolies are convenient. It's simple & easy to get all your stuff on Amazon nice and quick, but then you get intense concentration of wealth and bad working conditions, for example. There's always this kind of contradiction between the convenience humans want, and the problems that come with any kind of monopoly.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by scubbo »

vaer-k wrote: post #26
fonix wrote: post #12

What is with people and not wanting to install EGS on their pcs? Is it just the hip thing to do, they've seen it plastered all over reddit so they've decided to jump on board? It's another game store... they have 1-2 free games every single week, and they're not junk games. Get the free games on the website and when you come around to installing it someday you'll have a huge library. There was backlash against Steam…

Because it's a terrible client with virtually no features, yet their business tactics strongarm players into using it. Nobody likes to be forced to use a certain product. EGS doesn't even offer a fraction of what Steam can do. Here's what I can come up with off the top of my head; I'm sure others can chime in with more. Steam has a robust marketplace, with user reviews and a slew of sorting and shopping cart features…

(Not the person you're replying to) These are all reasonable complaints! I, personally, barely care about _any_ of them (in particular, I don't think I've ever read a review on Steam, I almost-never play multiplayer or modded games, and I would hate to stream my games), so, for me, Epic is exactly as fully-featured as Steam is - but these are reasonable reasons why other people might feel a gap.

(EDIT: in particular, I always find the complaint that Epic lacks a shopping cart to be hilarious, because I hadn't even noticed that Steam _has_ a cart until that was pointed out. I can't imagine ever wanting to buy more than one game at once!)

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by skocznymroczny »

vaer-k wrote: post #26
fonix wrote: post #12

What is with people and not wanting to install EGS on their pcs? Is it just the hip thing to do, they've seen it plastered all over reddit so they've decided to jump on board? It's another game store... they have 1-2 free games every single week, and they're not junk games. Get the free games on the website and when you come around to installing it someday you'll have a huge library. There was backlash against Steam…

Because it's a terrible client with virtually no features, yet their business tactics strongarm players into using it. Nobody likes to be forced to use a certain product. EGS doesn't even offer a fraction of what Steam can do. Here's what I can come up with off the top of my head; I'm sure others can chime in with more. Steam has a robust marketplace, with user reviews and a slew of sorting and shopping cart features…

Well, Steam also started by strongarming players into it if you want to play Half Life 2. Also Steam is still strongarming players by Steamworks integration. Half of AAA games use Steamworks, and if you don't want to use Steam, you can't play the game, even if you buy a boxed copy.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by wruza »

naikrovek wrote: post #21
tehbeard wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the competition is being done by throwing money at it... and not in the let's build a fantastic, quick and nice launcher with a world class user experience and amazing tools for developers... But in the same way VC funding artificially lowers the costs/prices to the consumer until they've captured a market and then bam, time to pump them for all they've got. I use it to just grab a game if it's free... and ev…

you should learn more about Tim Sweeney. he is all about store openness. read his rants about the windows 8 and windows 10 store(s) for example.

We are all about happiness and openness until sufficient market share, then the music changes. Steam is a long player, egs seems to be a fast one, that’s it. You have a point, but don’t humanize corps too much.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by vaer-k »

scubbo wrote: post #32
vaer-k wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it's a terrible client with virtually no features, yet their business tactics strongarm players into using it. Nobody likes to be forced to use a certain product. EGS doesn't even offer a fraction of what Steam can do. Here's what I can come up with off the top of my head; I'm sure others can chime in with more. Steam has a robust marketplace, with user reviews and a slew of sorting and shopping cart features…

(Not the person you're replying to) These are all reasonable complaints! I, personally, barely care about _any_ of them (in particular, I don't think I've ever read a review on Steam, I almost-never play multiplayer or modded games, and I would hate to stream my games), so, for me, Epic is exactly as fully-featured as Steam is - but these are reasonable reasons why other people might feel a gap. (EDIT: in particular,…

That's all well and good, and if you like EGS, that's your prerogative. My response is to a question of why people don't like EGS. The point is not even that Steam is better (it is); instead the point is that nobody likes to be forced to use a platform they don't prefer, and this is made especially onerous when the forced platform is so very, very inferior.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by 999900000999 »

fonix wrote: post #12

What is with people and not wanting to install EGS on their pcs? Is it just the hip thing to do, they've seen it plastered all over reddit so they've decided to jump on board? It's another game store... they have 1-2 free games every single week, and they're not junk games. Get the free games on the website and when you come around to installing it someday you'll have a huge library. There was backlash against Steam…

I really really hate what Epic does.

No one wants to use their store, so they pay for games to appear exclusively. I hate this so much for certain games I'll just buy it on console.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by naikrovek »

reificator wrote: post #28
naikrovek wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sure, paying for games that you get to keep is a money grab... someone wanna explain this logic to me?

Do you want to explain where "paying for games that you get to keep" entered this conversation? The logic the GP was using was that exclusivity deals and "the first hit is free" tactics are not ultimately in the customer's interest.

that's arguable, but those tactics are good for getting people to use your store. this is what ALL coupons and advertising is actually manipulating you to do, and EGS isn't doing anything different, there.

the thing EGS IS doing differently, however, is being much more fair to creators of these games, and basing their fees on the actual costs they must incur, instead of just taking as much as they can, which is very much in the consumer's best interest. it's in everyone's best interest, because more profit for most game devs means more games from those devs, and more games are what consumers want.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by scollet »

kgwxd wrote: post #25
fonix wrote: post #12

What is with people and not wanting to install EGS on their pcs? Is it just the hip thing to do, they've seen it plastered all over reddit so they've decided to jump on board? It's another game store... they have 1-2 free games every single week, and they're not junk games. Get the free games on the website and when you come around to installing it someday you'll have a huge library. There was backlash against Steam…

Because it's Epic. They bought up my favorite game, ended Linux support for it, pulled it from Steam, turned it into another cosmetic money-grab, and continue to make it worse every update. The latest changes excited the community a bit but I'm positive they're part of a plan that the community is going to be absolutely furious about and then, to kick a dead horse, they'll add EAC, even though it's impossible to chea…

Tangentially related, but they killed party match-making with rank disparity requirements. Not sure if this was to prevent smurfing, but I can't play with friends who are over one rank higher.

Personal grudge of the week.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by programd »

fonix wrote: post #12

What is with people and not wanting to install EGS on their pcs? Is it just the hip thing to do, they've seen it plastered all over reddit so they've decided to jump on board? It's another game store... they have 1-2 free games every single week, and they're not junk games. Get the free games on the website and when you come around to installing it someday you'll have a huge library. There was backlash against Steam…

I understand people having ideological issues about not wanting to deal with Epic, but don't let dogma stand in the way of experiencing some real innovation.

What I mean is that besides the free games, one big reason to install Epic is to play around with Unreal 4/5 game engine. There's some very impressive innovation going on in the game engine space, and whatever you may think of Epic the company, Epic the engineering organization is knocking it out of the park here.

From zero experience you can build a photorealistic open world game environment in about a week of watching Youtube tutorials and downloading free assets from the Unreal marketplace. Anybody who hangs out on HN should be able to pick it up very quickly. Frankly it's pretty amazing what you can do with Unreal in very little time. Unreal 5 (still early access) looks even more impressive in its capabilities - watch some Youtube videos about it.

I firmly believe that entertainment is heading in the direction of anybody being able to create their own worlds to play in, with multiplayer to host their friends no less. Unreal (and Unity) are the adult version of the tools kids are already using on Roblox and Minecraft and both engines are improving by leaps and bounds. Think of using those tools as the gateway to the non-Meta metaverse, where anybody can create and run their own huge, quirky, and amazing virtual world.

Re: Game “While true: learn()” for free in Epic Store

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Post by tehbeard »

naikrovek wrote: post #21
tehbeard wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the competition is being done by throwing money at it... and not in the let's build a fantastic, quick and nice launcher with a world class user experience and amazing tools for developers... But in the same way VC funding artificially lowers the costs/prices to the consumer until they've captured a market and then bam, time to pump them for all they've got. I use it to just grab a game if it's free... and ev…

you should learn more about Tim Sweeney. he is all about store openness. read his rants about the windows 8 and windows 10 store(s) for example.

While I have no love for Apple or any of the other billion dollar techbro places, Sweeney was the one running the corp. (Epic Games) that deliberately violated a contract (let's leave the discussion of is 30% ethical/justifable for a app store on the table for the moment), and then used a pre-planned ad campaign to galvanise an under-18 fanbase to try and control the narrative, right?
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