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Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

fullwaza wrote: post #60
montblanc wrote: post #31

I don't know much about chess but Magnus throwing away his queen like that (traded his queen + rook for two rooks), was that a common thing to do? Looked outrageous to me but what do I know.

There are values associated with pieces. Without considering the position, a pawn would = 1, Knight = 3, Bishop = 3.5, Rook = 5, and Queen = 9. I've not seen the game yet, but if he traded a Queen for 2 rooks that isn't such a bad deal.

Modern engines value the pieces more, like knight/bishop ar 4.1, rook closer to 6 and queen at 11.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by toolz »

lvass wrote: post #42
jjbinx007 wrote: post #5

Bit of a spoiler :( I prefer to watch analysis of games from YouTubers like Agadmator or Jerry from Chessnetwork and discover who the winner was by watching the game. I wonder if these long games are not particularly helpful. Most chess final games end in draws as players are reluctant to create an imbalance and instead play it safe. There tends to be more exciting games played in games with a shorter time limit. I'm…

And unfortunate choice of news outlet. As a developer, I can't help mentioning how baffling it is part of the chess community keeps using a proprietary website filled to the brim on dark patterns while a better and free as in freedom alternative is available.

I can't get over how incredibly laggy chess is. It's the single reason I moved to lichess as I started on chesscom.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by loh »

jstx1 wrote: post #46
loh wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In hindsight, yes, it's basic for sure. But in the heat of the moment after 7 hours of thinking about nothing but chess, Ian obviously missed the potential fork and was visibly surprised that Magnus left his rook to be attacked.

He didn't miss it though - if he had, he would have taken the rook. No one at their level misses something like this in these games. This stuff is obvious to much much weaker players than Ian.

If he was aware of it, he would not have allowed it occur to begin with. He was counting on Magnus to move the rook and was very visibly surprised when Magnus left the rook in place.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by varunprasad »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #23
loh wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was an absolutely incredible match to watch live. Historical. My jaw dropped when Magnus ignored his rook being attacked at the end in favor of the potential fork with his knight. It is ultimately what led to the sure win.

The match was already lost at that point. Two moves before that, Stockfish 14 has mate in 49.

Stockfish having mate in 39 moves says nothing about a match between 2 humans, already having played for over 6 hours, under very limited time constraints.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by thaurelia »

ajkjk wrote: post #55
lvass wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And unfortunate choice of news outlet. As a developer, I can't help mentioning how baffling it is part of the chess community keeps using a proprietary website filled to the brim on dark patterns while a better and free as in freedom alternative is available.

I think that chess.com pays some people to use their website on streams, etc. Although Lichess isn't perfect and it's kinda annoying. One of the bad things about Lichess is how unrealistically inflated their ratings are; 2100 on Lichess is equivalent to about 1800 on Chess.com. Chess.com is much more similar to the FIDE rating and other real-world systems. Lichess is just super inflated for some reason and it makes i…

You cannot compare ratings between these websites and FIDE for two reasons:

- they use different rating systems (Elo for FIDE, Glicko-2 for LiChess and afair, Glicko/Glicko-2 for chess.com)

- ELO / Glicko rating is calculated for a _player pool_. Which means it will never correspond between FIDE-registered players and chess websites because they don't have the same player base.

It has nothing to do with being “inflated” or “unrealistic”. The difference is “by design”

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by varunprasad »

jfengel wrote: post #54
kjgkjhfkjf wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Carlsen previously defended his title agains Fabiano Caruana, all the classical (slow) games were draws. The championship was decided by rapid games, where Carlsen demolished Caruana. I love both playing and watching rapid chess, but I think it's better for the world championship to be decided using classical time limits. That way, we get more interesting games, rather than the indignity of top players blunderin…

Thank you for the explanation. I think I agree with you. Chess is only a thing because people have played chess for a long time. Different time limits are a different kind of game -- neither better nor worse, but different from the things that made tournament-style chess popular. Perhaps with computers it's time to retire the existing notion of chess tournaments. But people still seem interested, much as we still wat…

Humans aren't computers.

A machine can throw a fastball at speeds well above what humans can do. That doesn't mean we retire pitchers completely and end the game of baseball. A car can cover 100m in a fraction of the time humans can, doesn't mean we end track and field.

Chess is a game between humans and that's what makes it exciting.

And with computers we have a whole additional layer added where we can see what an essentially perfect game would look like and compare to that (although computers can still occasionally be surprised by human moves).

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by not_kurt_godel »

thaurelia wrote: post #76
ajkjk wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that chess.com pays some people to use their website on streams, etc. Although Lichess isn't perfect and it's kinda annoying. One of the bad things about Lichess is how unrealistically inflated their ratings are; 2100 on Lichess is equivalent to about 1800 on Chess.com. Chess.com is much more similar to the FIDE rating and other real-world systems. Lichess is just super inflated for some reason and it makes i…

You cannot compare ratings between these websites and FIDE for two reasons: - they use different rating systems (Elo for FIDE, Glicko-2 for LiChess and afair, Glicko/Glicko-2 for chess.com) - ELO / Glicko rating is calculated for a _player pool_. Which means it will never correspond between FIDE-registered players and chess websites because they don't have the same player base. It has nothing to do with being “inflat…

The bottom line is still that a chess.com rating will be more indicative of what a theoretical FIDE/USCF rating would be, and there's value in that, even if it's not rigorously tethered.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by zeven7 »

thaurelia wrote: post #76
ajkjk wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that chess.com pays some people to use their website on streams, etc. Although Lichess isn't perfect and it's kinda annoying. One of the bad things about Lichess is how unrealistically inflated their ratings are; 2100 on Lichess is equivalent to about 1800 on Chess.com. Chess.com is much more similar to the FIDE rating and other real-world systems. Lichess is just super inflated for some reason and it makes i…

You cannot compare ratings between these websites and FIDE for two reasons: - they use different rating systems (Elo for FIDE, Glicko-2 for LiChess and afair, Glicko/Glicko-2 for chess.com) - ELO / Glicko rating is calculated for a _player pool_. Which means it will never correspond between FIDE-registered players and chess websites because they don't have the same player base. It has nothing to do with being “inflat…

I am not a chess player, but as a go player who has played on several different servers, all of that can be true and it can still be easier to compare progress relative to a real world association on one server vs another. ajkjk's point still makes sense to me.

Re: Magnus Carlsen wins longest world chess championship game of all time

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Post by [deleted] »

jfengel wrote: post #54
kjgkjhfkjf wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Carlsen previously defended his title agains Fabiano Caruana, all the classical (slow) games were draws. The championship was decided by rapid games, where Carlsen demolished Caruana. I love both playing and watching rapid chess, but I think it's better for the world championship to be decided using classical time limits. That way, we get more interesting games, rather than the indignity of top players blunderin…

Thank you for the explanation. I think I agree with you. Chess is only a thing because people have played chess for a long time. Different time limits are a different kind of game -- neither better nor worse, but different from the things that made tournament-style chess popular. Perhaps with computers it's time to retire the existing notion of chess tournaments. But people still seem interested, much as we still wat…

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