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Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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Post by 1123581321 »

shituonui wrote: post #148
djsbs wrote: post #141

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OP spoke in generalities, and I answered in generalities with specific examples merely as illustrative aids. You just used sarcasm.

Sarcasm is a perfectly valid rhetorical device. If you find it rude, I apologize. Some luxury goods are beautiful. Some are high-performance. However, many of them are prized merely because they are exclusive. I find very expensive jewelry, almost without exception, to be gaudy and hideous. Even if it were tasteful, it could be made with artificial or semiprecious gems and clad base metals with no change in appearanc…

Similarly to watches, jewelry techniques, styles materials have made their way far down market. Exclusivity (or a certain designer's mark) is just one buyer preference.

Take a look at the jewelry case at Walmart or Kohl's (if you're in the United States) to see what's happened.

Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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Post by denton-scratch »

Vetch wrote: post #125
denton-scratch wrote: post #87

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The Border Collie is indeed intelligent. It is overwhelmingly the sheepdog preferred by Welsh shepherds. It is also loyal, good-natured, and pretty safe around children. This breed doesn't suffer health problems due to inbreeding, because it isn't a (UK) Kennel Club breed; there's no such thing as a "pedigree" Border Collie in the UK.

Yeah, from what I've read Collies are a smarter breed and also vary in intelligence amongst themselves. High obedience has been shown to at times be counter to good test performance as it means lower curiosity, higher dependence on humans and lower problem solving persistence. Collies are curious, enjoy learning and having a job but can be chaotic when bored, which is markedly different from incurious obedience. > Th…

> Can you explain the significance of not being a Kennel Club breed?

Well, the Kennel Club rates breeds in terms of their conformance to "spec", which is a lot about appearance. Inevitably, breeders breed to the spec. Border Collies aren't bred to any spec. (Collies are a different breed, which I believe is rated by the Kennel Club)

Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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Post by shituonui »

djsbs wrote: post #145
shituonui wrote: post #133

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>Im so bewildered I’ll just ask “what problem you can possibly have with luxury cars and jewelry?” I don't believe you. It is pretty obvious someone would object to luxury cars and jewelry: 1. Luxury cars are often wasteful or dangerous to be around. 2. The resources for jewelry are scarce and often extracted with slave labor. 3. Both are often used as displays of wealth, intended to demean people who can't afford th…

1.“I don't believe you. It is pretty obvious someone would object to luxury cars and jewelry:” Let me revise, since I have met ppl like OP: Im so bewildered at this attitude that I’ll just ask “what problem do people like you possibly have with luxury cars and jewelry?” 2. Jewlery can be made with slave labor. There is nothing inherent in jewelry that it must be made with slave labor. Thus, you can object to a availa…

I don't really believe that luxury cars or jewelry are inherently evil and won't defend those claims. I gave those as examples of (obvious) reasons people might object to those things.

>Clearly some ppl buy expensive things to show off, but I dont think it follows that their intention is to demean.

I don't think it matters what the intention is. Our society universally denigrates the poor and elevates wealth to a virtue. Anything that contributes to that has got to go.

Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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Post by anticensor »

etempleton wrote: post #74

The idea of pure breeds is a relatively modern phenomenon and not a very good one. The number of people that I have heard talk about how they cannot "trust" a dog if they don't have papers is staggering. Every mutt I have ever had ended up being a great dog with a great personality and disposition with minimal training required. All lived into their teens with only minor health problems towards the end of life.

I am advancing this even further and going to call out creating pure breeds for no reason is an animal racism.

Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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Post by AlbertCory »

smorgusofborg wrote: post #137
AlbertCory wrote: post #123

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What do you think the "goal of the shelter" is? To just move as many dogs out as possible, or to serve the public by giving them fair access to dogs others don't want? Those are subtly different.

Successfully performing an ethical responsibility to house dogs in a good situation inherently deprioritizes every member of the the public getting a great choice in free dogs. That is a successful supply side shortage which is the goal. I don't see how I could ethically agree that people's rights to get the dog they want through a rescue shelter exists and is more important to a shelter than the welfare of the dogs…

Sorry, but you're resorting to word salad here. "The welfare of the dogs placed in it's [sic] care" is not at issue, as I'll demonstrate:

Let's say a highly desirable dog, say a beautiful young Golden Retriever, is brought to the shelter, and further, let's suppose the shelter euthanizes all dogs after two weeks.

Normally, a member of the public would adopt this dog within a day or less. They're a very popular breed. How is "the welfare of the dogs placed in its care" enhanced by the Golden Rescue group taking it and deciding for themselves who should have it? (If the foster person doesn't keep it for themselves, which often happens.)

Let's say the shelter has an agreement with them: "if a Golden is slated for euthanasia within two days, you may take it." That seems fair to me.

So the only argument you're left with is "the Rescue group will do a better job of choosing its home." Not proven and doubtful, sorry. Those people are volunteers with no training and no accountability. The shelter is going to be at least as good.

Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

pilsetnieks wrote: post #93
wheybags wrote: post #46

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New study shows most water is wet

There is, however, a significant percentage of it in dry or gaseous form.

You got me thinking now...

How many chemicals/materials have different names depending on their state of matter, versus just having an adjective prepended?

When ice melts, it's called water. But when steel melts, it's just called molten steel.

Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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Post by simplyaccont »

alistairSH wrote: post #127
simplyaccont wrote: post #101

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try to explain it to proud owners of "standard Australian mini labradoodle" or something like this... they claim that it's a new pure breed

If you paid $4000 for a designer pooch, you'd make that claim too. ;)

Yeah. I "manage" at work dog owners group in our collaboration system that has >500 people now. Amount of purebred doodles or poos is amazing. I wasn't even aware that those combinations are bred

Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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Post by wdb »

bArray wrote: post #25

This is well known. Sometimes people breed the grandfather with the bitch or even the father. I think 'Pedigree certificates' has a lot to answer for in this regard. It doesn't encourage any kind of genetic diversity and people are actively discouraged and punished for trying to introduce new blood into lines. Another group to blame are 'puppy farms', people who breed merely to make money and take no responsibility f…

Is there a place to find which breeds are most inbred? I am wondering what the status of the Beagle is

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Post by pxc »

AlbertCory wrote: post #119
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #108

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> The end result when I was looking for a dog was that the shelters have nothing but pit bulls and Chihuahuas, and the dogs that the public prefers are all marked "reserved" or just gone. This is so frustrating! I'm currently looking for a dog, and the shelters near me have a few special needs dogs, a few "lab mixes" or "shepherd mixes" that are obviously Staffordshire terriers that happened to get lucky by having lo…

Thanks, I expected a flood of condemnations! The term "backyard breeder" is just one step up in snobbery from "trailer trash." I got my two cats from families that could be called backyard breeders. To me, that meant that children played with the kittens, which is especially crucial to cats. So if you want a golden (fantastic dogs, btw!), there are lots of breeders. You might have to drive for a few hours to find one…

> The term "backyard breeder" is just one step up in snobbery from "trailer trash."

The term is often used to refer to people running extremely sketchy for-profit operations (basically very small scale puppy mills). Operations like that often falsely present themselves as the more innocent 'oops my grandma's dog and my dog bred one time because we didn't know hers wasn't fixed' type.

Traditional breeders have all kinds of other problems. Imo there's not really any great way to get a puppy, ethically speaking

Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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Post by pxc »

AlbertCory wrote: post #155
smorgusofborg wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Successfully performing an ethical responsibility to house dogs in a good situation inherently deprioritizes every member of the the public getting a great choice in free dogs. That is a successful supply side shortage which is the goal. I don't see how I could ethically agree that people's rights to get the dog they want through a rescue shelter exists and is more important to a shelter than the welfare of the dogs…

Sorry, but you're resorting to word salad here. "The welfare of the dogs placed in it's [sic] care" is not at issue, as I'll demonstrate: Let's say a highly desirable dog, say a beautiful young Golden Retriever, is brought to the shelter, and further, let's suppose the shelter euthanizes all dogs after two weeks. Normally, a member of the public would adopt this dog within a day or less. They're a very popular breed.…

Rescues typically house their dogs in foster homes rather than shared kennels, and are more likely to engage in rehabilitation and training than shelters are. Dogs at breed rescues generally get way more individual attention and care.

> the only argument you're left with is "the Rescue group will do a better job of choosing its home." Not proven and doubtful, sorry. Those people are volunteers with no training and no accountability. The shelter is going to be at least as good.

Shelters don't generally attempt vetting adopters to the same degree as rescues do, which is much of the source of annoyance with breed rescues that started this thread. Shelters are not going to be 'at least as good' at things they're not even attempting to do.

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