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Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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This seems like a judgement call from someone who doesn't understand any of the three topics and therefore sees only the negatives. As an example, dog breeding which I know least of the three topics, provided society (the object in your sentence) with very specific work dogs that have served society for centuries. Imagine the Inuit without their sled dogs. Jewelry and luxury cars are easier to justify, but Im so bewi…

Money spent on luxuries/social status signaling is money not given to reduce suffering. If you have any sense of empathy for the billions of people living with low incomes, it's obvious that luxury spending is resource misallocation.

What’s obvious is economic misunderstanding.

The resources “misallocated” in luxury goods motivate and teach us to make better mass goods. The car industry is a great example. luxury vehicles have driven R&D that have made cars safer and cleaner (disc breaks, fuel injection). Tesla has put electric cars just within reach for all by charging rich people for what were (are?) bad cars with lots of status signing

Jewelry is a form of art and of adding beauty to our everyday life. I will not apologize for the $80 pearl studs my girls wear, or my wife’s shawl.

Nor is it tenable that money used on a luxury item represent resources taken away from the poor. The resources to make a Lexus or a Toyota are largely the same.

Sure, I could buy a Nissan (btw, I drive a six year old Kia and a used base manual 2013 Golf) and send a cheque to Africa. But I’ll raise you - you can drop every expenditure you have except basic needs and send the money to Africa. Like my ethic professor pointed out, that $5 beer is five child-days.

Unless you’re willing to live like an African, your position is hypocritical - jealousy masked with self righteousness. Philosophers who feel better than other, richer, people because they’ve explained away their own behavior.

Excuse my elitism, but its pop Buddhism with all the vulgarities of pop.

Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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Dog breeding is mostly a net-negative for the society. Kind of like jewelry and luxury cars.

This seems like a judgement call from someone who doesn't understand any of the three topics and therefore sees only the negatives. As an example, dog breeding which I know least of the three topics, provided society (the object in your sentence) with very specific work dogs that have served society for centuries. Imagine the Inuit without their sled dogs. Jewelry and luxury cars are easier to justify, but Im so bewi…

>Im so bewildered I’ll just ask “what problem you can possibly have with luxury cars and jewelry?”

I don't believe you. It is pretty obvious someone would object to luxury cars and jewelry:

1. Luxury cars are often wasteful or dangerous to be around.

2. The resources for jewelry are scarce and often extracted with slave labor.

3. Both are often used as displays of wealth, intended to demean people who can't afford them.

I love fast cars and I wear jewelry. I hate the fact that these beautiful things are corrupted by their use as tools of oppression.

Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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post #11

The UK kennel club allows you to calculate the inbreeding coefficient for either a registered (pedigree) dog or for future puppies of two potential mates: https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/search/inbreeding-co-effici... This kind of information is used by responsible breeders and buyers, thus my dachshund has 0% inbreeding going back 5 generations.

The point is though that most dog breeds are already too inbred .

I.e. even if your particular dog isn't inbred according to some particular measure - the entire dog breed are already way too much inbred and have very little genetic diversite. Leading up to most dogs of that breed having multiple deficits.

(I don't know if that applies to dachshounds though - in general it applies less to dog breeds used for utility)

Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Money spent on luxuries/social status signaling is money not given to reduce suffering. If you have any sense of empathy for the billions of people living with low incomes, it's obvious that luxury spending is resource misallocation.

What’s obvious is economic misunderstanding. The resources “misallocated” in luxury goods motivate and teach us to make better mass goods. The car industry is a great example. luxury vehicles have driven R&D that have made cars safer and cleaner (disc breaks, fuel injection). Tesla has put electric cars just within reach for all by charging rich people for what were (are?) bad cars with lots of status signing Jewelry…

Oh yes, the expertise of Patek Philippe will trickle down any day now.

Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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The Norwegian Society for Protection of Animals is actually bringing a case on bad breeding to the courts in Norway (https://www.dyrebeskyttelsen.no/2020/11/23/norway-to-decide-...), its going to be interesting to see how that works out. If we are lucky, we might get some more sane dog breeding, and healthier dogs out of it.

Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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I find it a bit ironic that you and the OP seem to be saying these rescue groups work for their actual goal and the goal of the shelter.

What do you think the "goal of the shelter" is? To just move as many dogs out as possible, or to serve the public by giving them fair access to dogs others don't want? Those are subtly different.

Successfully performing an ethical responsibility to house dogs in a good situation inherently deprioritizes every member of the the public getting a great choice in free dogs. That is a successful supply side shortage which is the goal.

I don't see how I could ethically agree that people's rights to get the dog they want through a rescue shelter exists and is more important to a shelter than the welfare of the dogs placed in it's care.

Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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Buying or breeding purebred dogs is morally wrong, a dog should not be forced to endure a miserable existence for aesthetic reasons.

Pugs are some of the most unfortunate, they have issues with their eyeballs prolapsing and cannot breathe through their nose.

All of it is disgusting, shame on anyone that breeds or owns purebreds. I’ll give a pass to breeders of actual working dogs, but show dogs are a crime against nature.

Re: Study: Most Dog Breeds Highly Inbred

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post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s obvious is economic misunderstanding. The resources “misallocated” in luxury goods motivate and teach us to make better mass goods. The car industry is a great example. luxury vehicles have driven R&D that have made cars safer and cleaner (disc breaks, fuel injection). Tesla has put electric cars just within reach for all by charging rich people for what were (are?) bad cars with lots of status signing Jewelry…

Oh yes, the expertise of Patek Philippe will trickle down any day now.

It has. Wristwatch mechanical and material expertise has greatly diffused, resulting in good watches at many price points.
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