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U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by sudosysgen »

rtkwe wrote: post #266
sudosysgen wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There will never be a Chinese hegemony. The actual decision is between US hegemony and a duopolar or multipolar world. The latter are pretty obviously preferable if you're not American or not very closely allied.

Why is a Chinese hegemony impossible?

Because to have a true hegemony, you need to be able to project power around the globe mostly uncontested. This is very difficult for China as they are essentially boxed in by Japan, South Korea, Vietnam and the nations of the South China Sea, even if they do take Taiwan. So they will never have fully uncontested access to the sea and thus to the world, even if they do surpass the US in military power abroad (which is doubtful).

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Post by sudosysgen »

wolverine876 wrote: post #157
russli1993 wrote: post #125

On Aug 2020, a US spy satellite moved close to a Chinese satellite, attempting to shadow it closely. It was caught by the Chinese and they maneuvered it to get away from the US satellite. This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? Trust goes both ways, and it takes effort from both parties to build trust. This kind of…

> This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? This question is hard to understand. You don't know why competing militaries would behave this way? The OP doesn't discuss trust; it informs you about such activity and the US militaries desire to counter it. Should they do nothing? Do you think China and Russia will stop i…

Russia and China were willing to sign treaties with the US to prevent this. Historically they do abide by them. The US refused repeatedly because the US is fundamentally aiming for absolute dominance militarily.

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Post by sudosysgen »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #264
1_player wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's their loss. To be fair, they had to create a pretty massive and intrusive censorship system to prevent the widespread Western propaganda from entering their borders.

It's kind of creepy how you're implying that the fact the CCP created a massive and intrusive system for controlling what information has access to is a reaction to Western propaganda, and not, like, a textbook power grab that we've seen from every other totalitarian regime in the 20th century.

You're seeing selection bias. The regimes that didn't implement strong censorship and the like invariably fell to hostile action. So of course it's going to become textbook, otherwise you end up like the CNT FAI, or Mossadegh, or Allende, or Sankara, etc...

There is a pretty clear pattern that does who don't use censorship end up killed and those that do survive much longer.

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Post by nradov »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #226
greeneggs wrote: post #159

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I don't see why looking at something closely is evidence of "malign intent." After all, the whole point of spy satellites is to look closely at other countries. You could say that it is risky, because there could be a collision, but that is quite different from malign intent, and this risk can be greatly mitigated.

Spying in itself is a military act. Sure everyone does it but that doesn't make it nicer.

The majority of spying including human intelligence, signals intelligence, and overhead imagery is performed by civilians not military.

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Post by IncRnd »

sudosysgen wrote: post #273
PoignardAzur wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's kind of creepy how you're implying that the fact the CCP created a massive and intrusive system for controlling what information has access to is a reaction to Western propaganda, and not, like, a textbook power grab that we've seen from every other totalitarian regime in the 20th century.

You're seeing selection bias. The regimes that didn't implement strong censorship and the like invariably fell to hostile action. So of course it's going to become textbook, otherwise you end up like the CNT FAI, or Mossadegh, or Allende, or Sankara, etc... There is a pretty clear pattern that does who don't use censorship end up killed and those that do survive much longer.

You completely missed the point that the poster is a CCP shill.

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Post by thuccess129 »

kungito wrote: post #211
plandis wrote: post #161

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> Whose culture is right? What is right in the eyes of the law? Perhaps I’m the only one who feels this way based on the number of pro-China posts, but a Chinese hegemony would likely be a world of censorship and social credit. Compared to a flawed US democracy I’ll take the US democracy every time.

I'd take european democracy over US democracy any time

There is less freedom and space in old europe. 1940s 50s 60s US climbed up the power curve and then Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan happened.

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Post by 1_player »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #264
1_player wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's their loss. To be fair, they had to create a pretty massive and intrusive censorship system to prevent the widespread Western propaganda from entering their borders.

It's kind of creepy how you're implying that the fact the CCP created a massive and intrusive system for controlling what information has access to is a reaction to Western propaganda, and not, like, a textbook power grab that we've seen from every other totalitarian regime in the 20th century.

That's not what I'm implying at all. I'm saying Western propaganda is so thick and widespread only absolute totalitarian regimes can control it, otherwise it reaches everywhere and we're all brain-washed by it. There is no denying the CCP is a totalitarian regime.

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Post by WFHRenaissance »

JackFr wrote: post #132
WFHRenaissance wrote: post #81

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I've often wondered whether this article was DOD fundraising propaganda: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones...

Readership of The Drive ain’t where they get their money.

Fair, but media headlines and intelligence agencies provide similar services.

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Post by IncRnd »

mrtnmcc wrote: post #220
amprolh wrote: post #192

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> culturally an ancient society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution > China is not interested in controlling or imposing beliefs China is extremely interested in controlling and imposing the beliefs that the CCP is the best and should never be opposed and never makes mistakes, and demonstrates this daily within the great firewall and through threat of sanction against international media companies, neve…

Control of actions and beliefs of citizens absolutely. But again that's to maintain internal stability. You'd need to give specific examples for the latter point.

Taiwan

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Post by IncRnd »

mrtnmcc wrote: post #219
3371 wrote: post #216

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I'm Taiwanese, I don't agree.

But isn't that through the lens of of self-determinism? China sees Taiwan as a domestic conflict between ROC/PRC, i.e. that Taiwanese are Chinese ( Han). They would never say the same about the U.S. or Russia for example. Not saying China is correct, just that it's pointless to explain their actions or intent based on the wrong model of their values.

The people I know, who used to live in China, HK administrative region, or Taiwan, do not talk like you write.
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