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Re: Vivaldi Browser 5.0

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Post by rasz »

rjzzleep wrote: post #46
freediver wrote: post #28

Congrats to Vivaldi! There is a good interview with Vivaldi founder on Tedium [1] where he basically says that because most browsers are built on Chromium nowadays, you have to innovate on features and that is the direction they took. And really the number of features in Vivaldi is staggering including some great ones like Tab Stacking and Tab Tiling. But adding this many features took a toll on performance and it is…

Is the UI still as horribly laggy? I try vivaldi every other year because people say it's faster, but it's almost as if those people only run that beast on a desktop or fully specced 15" laptops

5.0 finally started working on speed of UI. Tab operations no longer slow down with the number of opened Tabs for example.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 5.0

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Post by rasz »

amyjess wrote: post #16

Have Vivaldi's devs said whether or not they'll be requiring Manifest V3? I'd hope that if anyone rejects V3 it would be Vivaldi...

They declared building their own declarative adblocker, with blackjack and hookers. They have no money to maintain own fork.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 5.0

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Post by _0w8t »

Isthatablackgsd wrote: post #128
_0w8t wrote: post #122

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A Vivaldi developer here. In which OS and on which pages do you experience this effect? Also, what is DPI of the screen?

Not sure if this helps, I pulled this from Vivaldi about page. Vivaldi 5.0.2497.24 (Stable channel) (arm64) Revision fedc9977d91d270b6659fd3b0cc8873ac07d1c0d OS macOS Version 12.0.1 (Build 21A559) JavaScript V8 9.6.180.12 Using it on MacBook Air M1, so Retina? This happens in my work SaaS website; it is a scheduling portal.

Thanks, we will look into it.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 5.0

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Post by lewispollard »

freediver wrote: post #126
skrowl wrote: post #116

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Technically correct, but the Firefox and Chrome listed in the iOS lockdown store are basically just skins on top of WebKit, not actually different web browsers (like they are on Android and other modern operating systems). It sounds like the EU and others may be fixing this soon by forcing Apple to allow other app stores on their devices if they want to continue selling devices in their regions. Presumably Amazon sto…

What do you mean by skin on top of WebKit? WebKit itself just renders the web page. The browser manufacturer has to build an entire browser and decide how to treat user privacy for example, does it have telemetry and what kind, whether to use native controls or not, what browser features to implement like reader mode, how to handle multiple tabs, gestures etc.. Calling that a skin is same as calling Vivaldi a skin of…

Well... Yes, Vivaldi is a skin of Chromium, that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of effort going into that skin.

The point is that Firefox and Chrome on iOS are not the same browser as Firefox and Chrome on any other platform.

For example, if I get a bug report from someone saying they're using Chrome on mobile, if they then say they're using iOS, that's a whole different kettle of fish from any other Chrome bug report I might get. It's going to be much closer to a Safari-related bug than a Chrome one, in a conventional sense.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 5.0

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Post by CynicusRex »

Hands down the best browser I've ever used because of their customizability and speed, and the support on their forum is swift and effective. Moreover, the developers are staunchly against crypto“currencies”. Seldom, some websites break, but that's because I extensively use uMatrix.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 5.0

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Post by freediver »

lewispollard wrote: post #144
freediver wrote: post #126

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What do you mean by skin on top of WebKit? WebKit itself just renders the web page. The browser manufacturer has to build an entire browser and decide how to treat user privacy for example, does it have telemetry and what kind, whether to use native controls or not, what browser features to implement like reader mode, how to handle multiple tabs, gestures etc.. Calling that a skin is same as calling Vivaldi a skin of…

Well... Yes, Vivaldi is a skin of Chromium, that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of effort going into that skin. The point is that Firefox and Chrome on iOS are not the same browser as Firefox and Chrome on any other platform. For example, if I get a bug report from someone saying they're using Chrome on mobile, if they then say they're using iOS, that's a whole different kettle of fish from any other Chrome bug repor…

For it to be a "skin", there would need to be a default "skin" to "reskin". WebKit has no default 'skin' becase it is just a web view. If you make an app with WebKit you have zero browser features, not even an address bar to type an URL into.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 5.0

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Post by ochronus »

Tempest1981 wrote: post #111
ochronus wrote: post #85

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I love Safari, too - my issue is that I use different OS's in parallel and not having bookmarks/settings sync is a big usability issue :/ so I'm stuck with Ungoogled Chromium, where I can at least solve for the bookmarks sync.

I like having separate sync for work vs home. So I use different browsers for each. Any other suggestions for keeping things separate?

I guess it depends on the browser - for Firefox you can easily register another account, for Chrome, I guess it needs another google account though

Re: Vivaldi Browser 5.0

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Post by yborg »

zmix wrote: post #134

I once liked Vivaldi. However, a few months ago I started to dislike it, since it adds more and more useless stuff instead of being innovative: * Graphics RGB color diagram * Mail client * Calendar client * Since over a year I can't play back video, that ha audio, because then the browser hangs for minutes. * Theme editor * Philips Hue integration * Razor Chroma intergration * (sophisticated) time based theme changes…

Agree with the bloat issue, I use Vivaldi because tab tiling, which is unique to this browser, but the additional functionality seems like it will become a crippling maintenance burden for a small team. I get that Tetzchner is trying to stand out in a sea of Chrome clones, but things like the Hue bulb integration and especially the not really fun or interesting embedded minigame are particularly egregious examples of things which are just wasting time, as well as introducing bugs and attack surface. Just shows a lack of discipline from the product management. Make this stuff an optional extension or something.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 5.0

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Post by rjzzleep »

Tomis02 wrote: post #140
nsonha wrote: post #127

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it's not that it's slow or resource hogs, it's janky which gives the same impression as being laggy

I see. If you're willing to give it another try, perhaps try and customize away all the fancy bells and whistles (for example I disabled tabs altogether and just use the side panel for displaying the tabs but I'm sure there's other settings as well).

So i just tried it actually, and it's way better than it used to be. Still a bit laggy, but i think I would consider this usable. I do however still see couple hundred ms delays on clicking on random ui elements even after disabling animations.
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