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Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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Post by marginalia_nu »

skinnymuch wrote: post #385
marginalia_nu wrote: post #126

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> meritocratic rating That is literally PageRank.

Pagerank was mostly based on inbound links. A popularity contest with some nuance is just that. Nothing is meritocratic including any Google algo.

It's not merely a democratic vote, where the most links wins, but what the algorithm does is evaluate the links based on the popularity of the originating domain. In other words, meritocratic rating.

You can apply the algorithm to any graph, and what it does is find the most influential nodes.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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Post by marginalia_nu »

Nasrudith wrote: post #336
marginalia_nu wrote: post #225

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Either way, capability for fuckery is not something I'd want to encourage.

Would you rather have a surgeon who knows how to kill you with a narrow slice to the right artery or one who doesn't even know where your kidneys appendix are located? Selecting for incompetence doesn't work well.

Eschewing SEO isn't incompetence, it's moral principle and good character. I'd much rather have a surgeon who doesn't moonlight harvesting organs OD:ing junkies.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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Post by S5yDyAk3XoQH5 »

Lhiw wrote: post #400
gbmatt wrote: post #395

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Cloudflare is not the only gatekeeper, too. Keep that in mind. There's many others and, as an upstart search engine operator, it's quite overwhelming to have to deal with them all. Some of them have contempt for you when you approach them. I've had one gatekeeper actually list my bot as a bad actor in an example in some of their documentation. So, don't get me wrong, this is about gatekeepers in general, not just onl…

I dunno if y'all realise this but I'd pay for a search engine that black holes CloudFlare and any other sites that think bots shouldn't read their sites.

rip the internet if you do that =/

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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Post by loonster »

myridium wrote: post #409
loonster wrote: post #323

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As much as I like to hate on reddit (I'm a permanently suspended user), not every sub there is trash. There are some great subs there on very specific niche topics.

Badge of honour I'd say. What was your transgression?

Someone asked about the Hunter Biden files. I responded with g n e w s . c o m . It took a few weeks, but they finally found it and suspended me for it. Others they suspended for mentioning the news organization that mentioned gnews.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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Post by melenaboija »

1024core wrote: post #252
kilburn wrote: post #249

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I don't know about others, but when I think of the "good old google days" I'm _not_ expecting the results for your example queries to be any good. In those days querying took some effort but the effort paid off. The results for "history" just couldn't matter less in this mindset. You search for "USA history" or "house commons history" or "lake whatever history" instead. If the results come up with unexpected things m…

> The idea that the engine should "understand what you mean" is what took us to the current state. Now it feels like queries don't matter anymore. Google thinks it knows the semantics better than you, and steering it off its chosen path is sometimes obnoxiously hard. Bingo! If you cede control to Google, it _will_ do what it's optimized to do, and not what _you_ are looking for.

What is optimized to do says nothing.

Optimizing for open text queries means dealing with a massive search space, the thing is choosing a subspace where to search and that is the part engines have to refine, how that is done is a different story. Some people may agree to use their location, search history and visits to online stores to do so but some may not.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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Post by giardini »

romwell wrote: post #267
giardini wrote: post #131

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"Trolling" is fine, see e.g. https://grammarist.com/usage/trawl-troll/#:~:text=Troll%20fo... .

Well, no, it's not fine. See e.g. the source you linked , which explains the difference.

Did you read to the end? Methinks not!

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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Post by BbzzbB »

Too wrote: post #436
BbzzbB wrote: post #427

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>"I'm feeling lucky" button My brain got so used to ignoring it I completely forgot it's a thing. I'm also unclear what it does? On an empty request, it gets me to their doodles page and with text in the box, gets me to my account history landing page.

It automatically redirects to the first search result.

Right, not sure why it wasn't working yesterday as opposed to now, I swear I wasn't doing it wrong (or how I could've).

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't anyone create a search engine comparable to 2005 Google?

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Post by dang »

S5yDyAk3XoQH5 wrote: post #460
dang wrote: post #402

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Please make your substantive points without snark or swipes. We ban accounts that do the latter, because it's poisonous to the culture we're trying to develop here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Probably been here longer than you, so really irrelevant. Anyway every single page of his site has html errors, not pointing it out is more poisonous than doing so.

HN users need to follow the site guidelines regardless of how long they've been here or how strongly they feel about HTML errors.
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