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Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by plandis »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #150
russli1993 wrote: post #125

On Aug 2020, a US spy satellite moved close to a Chinese satellite, attempting to shadow it closely. It was caught by the Chinese and they maneuvered it to get away from the US satellite. This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? Trust goes both ways, and it takes effort from both parties to build trust. This kind of…

AFAIK, there is only one nation on this planet that has dropped a nuke on another country, that can put the rest of the world on edge. Besides you cant rush globalisation, cultural differences take time to evolve over generations, we haven't had the internet and other forms of communication for that many years in the scheme of things and there are still many people on this planet who have not even used or regularly u…

> Whose culture is right? What is right in the eyes of the law?

Perhaps I’m the only one who feels this way based on the number of pro-China posts, but a Chinese hegemony would likely be a world of censorship and social credit. Compared to a flawed US democracy I’ll take the US democracy every time.

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by nradov »

14 wrote: post #147
nradov wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Spy satellites are legally allowed to operate based on international treaty. Kinetic attacks on them by another nation would clearly be an act of war. RF and cyber attacks are kind of a gray area.

Can you point to a source in that I’ve never heard such an agreement. Interested to read about it. Thanks.

https://www.unoosa.org/oosa/en/ourwork/spacelaw/treaties.htm...

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Post by Groxx »

snypher wrote: post #151
wolverine876 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They probably deserve a good shake. Let's give them a good shake, shall we? What does that mean?

The state of accepting something as honest or deserving of trust even though there is some doubt.

huh. that's basically the opposite of what I'd think of it as - on the American side of things, I read that as "shake them and see what falls out", i.e. see what they're hiding.

I'm also not sure how to search for that kind of phrase though. "a good shake" / "give them a good shake" doesn't seem to find anything relevant in my google. Anyone know of effective ways to search for culturally-idiomatic phrases?

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by duduer8fttg »

Groxx wrote: post #163
snypher wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The state of accepting something as honest or deserving of trust even though there is some doubt.

huh. that's basically the opposite of what I'd think of it as - on the American side of things, I read that as "shake them and see what falls out", i.e. see what they're hiding. I'm also not sure how to search for that kind of phrase though. "a good shake" / "give them a good shake" doesn't seem to find anything relevant in my google. Anyone know of effective ways to search for culturally-idiomatic phrases?

From usage in this scenario, the actual term you want to search for is "fair shake". You're thinking of "shake down" or possibly "shaking the tree" which is why it seems odd.

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by eunos »

plandis wrote: post #161
Terry_Roll wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK, there is only one nation on this planet that has dropped a nuke on another country, that can put the rest of the world on edge. Besides you cant rush globalisation, cultural differences take time to evolve over generations, we haven't had the internet and other forms of communication for that many years in the scheme of things and there are still many people on this planet who have not even used or regularly u…

> Whose culture is right? What is right in the eyes of the law? Perhaps I’m the only one who feels this way based on the number of pro-China posts, but a Chinese hegemony would likely be a world of censorship and social credit. Compared to a flawed US democracy I’ll take the US democracy every time.

A Chinese hegemony world will be void of virtue signalling, moralizing and ideologization (esp in tech). Something that much preferable.

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by djsbs »

Eelongate wrote: post #118
mrtnmcc wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joe at The Drive has been writing a ton of Space Force propaganda articles lately. The Defense Budget is getting debated now and this "news" really does seem aimed at Congress. Space Force and SDA want to fund their constellation of hypersonic reentry vehicles based on the SpaceX Starlink platform [1,2,3]. It would provide instant kill capability around the world. China is the justification for this massive buildup o…

If SpaceX can get Starship flying at the price they predict, it would be a game-changer. Presently that seems like a big 'if'. It would pay to be the first nation with a Brilliant Pebbles installation, since such an installation could be used to deny any other nation the ability to create the same. Brilliant Pebbles isn't merely an anti-missile system; it could also be used to intercept rockets launching satellites,…

The Russians new ICBM don't go to space and fly a “low” altitude trajectory to avoid ABM defences. including, it seems, these pebbles.

Anyway, the Russians or the Chinese, if they reasonably feel they’re being denied access to space will trigger the Kessler syndrome. what happens if the Russians counter the 1000 mini-pebbles in space with ten massive satellites filled with TNT, ball bearings and a remote trigger?

Ultimately, thats what I would do if I got bored of the space race. Put enough TNT up there to deny space for everyone if need be.

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by pvarangot »

ravel-bar-foo wrote: post #86
pvarangot wrote: post #85

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Nope, only two or maybe three organizations in the world can do that. It's not just firing a rocket if you want to hit a car sized target that's 400km away and moving at 7km/s, you need satellite navigation and global radar coverage to even try it and you are getting cut from that infrastructure way before you reach your target if you perform an unannounced launch that even looks remotely like an orbital attack.

The article we are discussing is about laser and EM attacks. Anyone with a software defined radio, a directional antenna, and some skillz can mount ground-based EM hacking attempts on satellites, and there are many academic astronomical facilities with artificial star lasers which could pull off attacks to disable the imagers of spy satellites. (Note that individuals don't because this is the sort of thing that gets…

Not sure about EM attacks, but I don't think disabling the imager of a spy satellite with a laser from the ground is feasible. If it makes it through the atmosphere it would just scatter or open up too much. Artificial stars shine by reacting with the atmosphere that kinda ends around 30km. LEO imagers fly as low as 240km but are even higher than that usually.

EM "attacks" wouldn't do much except if you are trying to spy on the EM spectrum in that are so they are more like a "defense". They won't make the satellite unusable.

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by mrtnmcc »

plandis wrote: post #161
Terry_Roll wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK, there is only one nation on this planet that has dropped a nuke on another country, that can put the rest of the world on edge. Besides you cant rush globalisation, cultural differences take time to evolve over generations, we haven't had the internet and other forms of communication for that many years in the scheme of things and there are still many people on this planet who have not even used or regularly u…

> Whose culture is right? What is right in the eyes of the law? Perhaps I’m the only one who feels this way based on the number of pro-China posts, but a Chinese hegemony would likely be a world of censorship and social credit. Compared to a flawed US democracy I’ll take the US democracy every time.

China is culturally an ancient agrarian society focused more on defending farmland than conquering nations. This is not really comparable to the U.S. which is an ideology-based nation that inherited European imperialism traits. China is not interested in controlling or imposing beliefs in the same way it's rivals are so we shouldn't interpret their actions with the same lens.

Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by [deleted] »

djsbs wrote: post #166
Eelongate wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If SpaceX can get Starship flying at the price they predict, it would be a game-changer. Presently that seems like a big 'if'. It would pay to be the first nation with a Brilliant Pebbles installation, since such an installation could be used to deny any other nation the ability to create the same. Brilliant Pebbles isn't merely an anti-missile system; it could also be used to intercept rockets launching satellites,…

The Russians new ICBM don't go to space and fly a “low” altitude trajectory to avoid ABM defences. including, it seems, these pebbles. Anyway, the Russians or the Chinese, if they reasonably feel they’re being denied access to space will trigger the Kessler syndrome. what happens if the Russians counter the 1000 mini-pebbles in space with ten massive satellites filled with TNT, ball bearings and a remote trigger? Ult…

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Re: U.S. satellites are being attacked every day according to Space Force general

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Post by steve76 »

Terry_Roll wrote: post #150
russli1993 wrote: post #125

On Aug 2020, a US spy satellite moved close to a Chinese satellite, attempting to shadow it closely. It was caught by the Chinese and they maneuvered it to get away from the US satellite. This seems to constitute ill or malign intent. Why would you go and bother the property of another person? What is the intent behind this move? Trust goes both ways, and it takes effort from both parties to build trust. This kind of…

AFAIK, there is only one nation on this planet that has dropped a nuke on another country, that can put the rest of the world on edge. Besides you cant rush globalisation, cultural differences take time to evolve over generations, we haven't had the internet and other forms of communication for that many years in the scheme of things and there are still many people on this planet who have not even used or regularly u…

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