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Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
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Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#292What we're seeing here is one of the wealthiest countries in the world with a population of > 80M people crumbling over a few thousand ICU patients because of long-standing issues that were never addressed. The staffing problems in hospitals (and nursing homes) have existed much longer than Covid. I heard a lot about them myself when I did my FSJ (volunteer work) back in 2004, and it's only gotten worse since then. O…
The same is said in the Netherlands, but if you double the number of available IC beds, with associated staff (good luck with that), all you've bought yourself is two weeks before those are full as well – because of exponential growth.
Growth isn't exponential forever, cases appear to be going down again in Germany already. Delta waves seem to be only about 8 weeks long (check data from different countries, or here: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/01/briefing/delta-peak-covid...), so two extra weeks would help a lot.
I agree that vaccines are part of the solution. I disagree that stripping citizens of their rights and insulting them on TV is part of literally any solution for anything. If a government feels the urge to do that, it should look for alternatives instead. Maintaining ICU capacity from one year before (decreased by 4000 in 2021, see: https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/zeitreihenht... - "Gesamtzahl gemeldeter Intensivbetten"), is the lowest-hanging fruit, I'm sure there are additional alternatives that I'm not qualified to comment on.
Edit: It was pointed out to me that the DIVI numbers have some complexity that I did not account for. So grain of salt on the actual ICU number, but I've not yet seen anyone deny the trend. Here's a fact check that confirms that beds were lost: https://correctiv.org/faktencheck/2021/11/17/divi-praesident...
Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#293Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mortality isn't the only negative outcome.
You should add Mortality + mortality in the following year. Studies coming out that people who survived severe covid had over twice the risk of dying within the next year.
Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#29471% percent of Germans support mandatory vaccinations for COVID, this is from a poll published today. Our governments failed pretty hard in this wave, which is why we now need to take more drastic measures again when the entirely predictable course events would take this winter became apparent even to our politicians. But at a point were planned operations for other diseases like cancer get cancelled all over the pla…
>71% percent of Germans support mandatory vaccinations for COVID, this is from a poll published today. From the article: >Germany, much like Austria, has one of the lowest vaccination rates in western Europe, with 68.4% and 65.6% of eligible adults vaccinated respectively, according to the ECDC. More Germans support mandatory vaccinations than are actually vaccinated? Seems like it should be the opposite. There are m…
These political polls are typically only include people 18+ (people who can vote), and among those the vaccination rate is around 80 percent.
Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
No country in the world has the capacity to take care of more than “a couple thousand” ICU patients (well, it’s more like a couple of ten thousand ICU patients for the best equipped and richest large countries in the world, like Germany). Simply because “a couple thousand” is all that’s needed during ordinary times. Yeah, there are issues with staffing and inadequate payment of the staff, sure, and those problems are…
> Unvaccinated people are to blame for this This satirical article from Ireland is probably applicable in every Western country that has had its health system systematically hollowed out by cynical neoliberal fuckheads: https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2021/11/19/unvaccinated-be... > Increasing ICU capacity right now is not a solution. It's completely misguided What you fail to understand is that the people who cut…
the cynical neoliberal fuckheads didn't manage to cut ICU beds in time in austria (they tried but the epidemic beat them to it). we're still extremely close to running out though. currently, patients are transferred to hospitals across the country and surgeries are put off.
Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not only are they forcing the unvaccinated to get the shot, they are also forcing everyone who is fully vaccinated to get booster shots every 6 months for the indefinite future. When the vaccines were first introduced their validity was fixed at 12 months and their was talk about extending it ("because they are so incredibly effective").
Not sure what to say without being labeled an anti vaxxer... I was very sick for a week after each shot. I'm 30, I work from home, I work out, I'm lean and only go out when running in the forest and buy food. I can't possibly know what would happen if I caught covid, but I wish the vaccination (I'm already vaxxed, but I mean the boosters) was my choice. With my reaction to the vaccines, it's two weeks a year guarante…
Yes I had a horrible reaction to the 2nd dose. So did everyone I know. Yes it's possible the real thing might be worse for me but I'm going to take my chances. I will not be taking a booster. I'm healthy, exercise regularly and I'm not in the age group that's high-risk.
There are studies showing the vaccine isn't even effective at 3 months. There's no way I'm dealing with that shot every 3-6 months.
Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#297As a double vaccinated German, I am very disappointed and angry about this move. Our politicians have failed to prepare the country for the Winter (who could have known...). We lack a basic strategy how to cope with Covid. And now they try to fix this by dividing the country in two. This will have no effect whatsoever on the infections, it will just continue to drive a divide that is already existing and will make an…
Not only are they forcing the unvaccinated to get the shot, they are also forcing everyone who is fully vaccinated to get booster shots every 6 months for the indefinite future. When the vaccines were first introduced their validity was fixed at 12 months and their was talk about extending it ("because they are so incredibly effective").
> booster shots every 6 months for the indefinite future
This is the most stupid thing about vaccination plans. It's one thing to get vaccinated once, it's another thing entirely to need frequent boosters.
I expect a lot of confusion and operational carnage when people who don't get a booster become "unvaccinated".
Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sweden did worse than the other Scandinavian countries that enacted stricter Covid restrictions, including lockdowns. Sweden had roughly 5-7x as many deaths per capita as its immediate neighbors of Norway and Finland. Germany had less deaths per capita as well: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
I'll be curious to know what these numbers are in 5 years.
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Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, Delta combined with cooler weather and high percentage of antivaxxers.
Antivaxxers, but also unvaccinated children. In the current Covid wave in Austria children 5-14 years old have the highest 7-day incidence.
School children in Austria are tested three times a week, so the numbers can't be compared to other age groups.