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Re: AWS Private 5G

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uncomputation wrote: post #300
taf2 wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still kinda of confused... does that mean we could say get a simcard and make voice calls via this network? insert sim card into mobile phone android/iphone and make phone calls?

No, this is for private networks with lots of wirelessly connected devices where using Wi-Fi is not ideal (say, a building with a lot of 24/7 cameras). I cannot say for certain, but it’s unlikely Amazon would be interfacing with major telephone carriers given that 1) they are using low power radio units and 2) they are using unlicensed spectrum.

You're right and the biggest benefit is to companies with strictly using iOT

Re: AWS Private 5G

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WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #129

Become a telecom as a service! Super cool. For those who are glancing over, this is a big deal. 5G isn't really like 4G upgraded. It's more its own thing. I believe this has been available though for a while and many telecoms have partnerships with FAANG beyond Amazon. With 5G you can essentially split a network into multiple partitions and scale them independently on-demand called Network Slicing. (like cloud comput…

Actually telecom don't have their own infra. They lease the infra from tower companies, here telcos will get hit as well as the tower lease companies

About the payment, we're working on a model to compensate the users. Email me if you're interested

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by ahaseeb »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #327
danudey wrote: post #219

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None of this is really what this service is intended for. If you read the whitepaper, they list examples of what this would be useful for; namely, covering your own space with your own 5G for your own devices. Deploy it in these areas instead of WiFi: 1. A stadium's remote ad/video/informational displays 2. A logistics distribution hub's stock-tracking robots/systems/handhelds 3. A corporate campus's smart displays o…

So will 5G actually be better than 5GHz WiFi? I'm not too concerned about speed but rather a stable connection. So here's the thing, currently I have 2.4GHz and 5GHz WiFi in my home. Any device that is stationary connects to the 5GHz one and any device that moves around connects to the 2.4GHz one. Why? Because initially I had everything on the 5GHz network, but noticed if I move around with my phone/tablets/laptops (…

5GHz range is less than 2.4GHz. So that's the reason

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by ahaseeb »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #279
danudey wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of this is really what this service is intended for. If you read the whitepaper, they list examples of what this would be useful for; namely, covering your own space with your own 5G for your own devices. Deploy it in these areas instead of WiFi: 1. A stadium's remote ad/video/informational displays 2. A logistics distribution hub's stock-tracking robots/systems/handhelds 3. A corporate campus's smart displays o…

I got the impression this is Amazon providing Airave-type "femotcells" that emit a low-powered cellular signal and use your wired network for calls and data service. Seems to also imply Amazon would be providing SIM cards. I'm not sure of the advantage of this over Wi-Fi, though, except to get devices that have no other option other than cellular connectivity to be forced to go over your own network. > Cellular techn…

5G will displace WiFi. 5G has better authentication, handshake etc

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by ahaseeb »

bri3d wrote: post #287
tenebrisalietum wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got the impression this is Amazon providing Airave-type "femotcells" that emit a low-powered cellular signal and use your wired network for calls and data service. Seems to also imply Amazon would be providing SIM cards. I'm not sure of the advantage of this over Wi-Fi, though, except to get devices that have no other option other than cellular connectivity to be forced to go over your own network. > Cellular techn…

Large-scale, long range Amazon-managed 5G deployment should be easier than large-scale WiFi deployment, at least if the promises are accurate. Especially outdoors where deploying a large number of base stations is challenging. Lower frequencies mean improved building material penetration in environments like warehouses and docks, meaning fewer base stations are necessary. Generally 5G also supports higher density tha…

Commercial deployments on 5G are difficult because it's fairly new . Wifi is very tried and tested. It'll take some time to get practical experience but once done, it'll be easier than Wifi

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by ahaseeb »

saltminer wrote: post #286
cshipley wrote: post #192

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>This isn't MVNO-aaS. Its Antenae-aaS. I think a lot of people are missing this point. This will not allow someone to become their own carrier. It allows someone to install their own "cell towers" and have devices connect to them without having to use a 3rd party carrier.

Yeah, while you might theoretically be able to build a national 5G network using this, it would be way more expensive vs just building it yourself. Amazon wouldn't be marketing this if they didn't expect to have a healthy profit margin, after all. This seems more applicable in cases where you need 5G but there is no/insufficient 5G already, when it would be prohibitively expensive to go to existing carriers (mobile d…

AWS wants to sell their storage. Margins are there + it's a new exciting market

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by ahaseeb »

ineedasername wrote: post #234
WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #129

Become a telecom as a service! Super cool. For those who are glancing over, this is a big deal. 5G isn't really like 4G upgraded. It's more its own thing. I believe this has been available though for a while and many telecoms have partnerships with FAANG beyond Amazon. With 5G you can essentially split a network into multiple partitions and scale them independently on-demand called Network Slicing. (like cloud comput…

>Uber offering free fast Internet to their drivers Amazon is talking about installing actual local hardware infrastructure here though. It seems like that only makes sense where there is no existing 5G, otherwise it's probably just cheaper to use the telco's infrastructure since, as you said, they could work directly with the telco to get their own slice. Sort of like the difference in price between a dedicated hoste…

It's actually cheaper if you already have access to cheap broadband such as fibre internet where the GB can be as little as 10 cent/gb. But if you're reselling the telco bandwidth then it doesn't make sense

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by ahaseeb »

matt9j wrote: post #230
FemmeAndroid wrote: post #28

I'd love to see _some_ pricing estimates. There's a good amount I'd pay to get something like this for some rural communities, but it's unclear if I'm anywhere near able to afford it.

I have some experience building rural cellular networks (4G and starting to work on 5G), and can say that the core network part of the network is usually not the biggest challenge. There are open source cores available that actually work quite well for basic Internet access (magma has been mentioned elsewhere in the thread), and open5gs is another one. They can be deployed on lightweight edge infrastructure or in the…

Just dropped you an email.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by ahaseeb »

jcims wrote: post #38
FemmeAndroid wrote: post #28

I'd love to see _some_ pricing estimates. There's a good amount I'd pay to get something like this for some rural communities, but it's unclear if I'm anywhere near able to afford it.

Probably a small outpost deployment + RF gear, so (guessing) $500K up front and $10-20k/mo. I don't know if it's possible to get RDOF grants for individual communities but that might cover some of it.

I think it'll be cheaper. We're looking to get the home unit cost to $499 & zero fees
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