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Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by numpad0 »

taf2 wrote: post #248
laserbeam wrote: post #244

It seems everyone here is confused. Here's the official FAQ, and it has 0 marketing garbage. https://aws.amazon.com/private5g/faqs/ There's no "telecom as a service", and there's no "5g can be split into multiple networks" nonsense. Amazon is just selling 5g access points and hardware (just like you would install wifi), and rents you a private connection for that hardware to AWS, and management of that network from A…

I'm still kinda of confused... does that mean we could say get a simcard and make voice calls via this network? insert sim card into mobile phone android/iphone and make phone calls?

Basically they give you a few Wi-Fi access points and a central server PC, but instead of those being Wi-Fi and standalone, it’s 5G and cloud controlled as should be in late 2021.

And unlocked phone should work provided it supports required frequency(tricky) and voice calls should be possible, but it probably can’t readily connect to PSTN and given actual “1-555-1234567” numbers, or make 911 calls for that matter. If you’re going to have Asterisk SIP VoIP server running on-prem, that is probably supported.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by ap6 »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #279
danudey wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of this is really what this service is intended for. If you read the whitepaper, they list examples of what this would be useful for; namely, covering your own space with your own 5G for your own devices. Deploy it in these areas instead of WiFi: 1. A stadium's remote ad/video/informational displays 2. A logistics distribution hub's stock-tracking robots/systems/handhelds 3. A corporate campus's smart displays o…

I got the impression this is Amazon providing Airave-type "femotcells" that emit a low-powered cellular signal and use your wired network for calls and data service. Seems to also imply Amazon would be providing SIM cards. I'm not sure of the advantage of this over Wi-Fi, though, except to get devices that have no other option other than cellular connectivity to be forced to go over your own network. > Cellular techn…

I think the whole point of the service is "convenience". If deploying private 5g is as convenient as deploying Wi-Fi, why not just deploy private 5g?

We all like Wi-Fi because we can attach a Wi-Fi router to an internet link and it "just works". Similarly, if you can make a mobile network "just work", you are getting the same functionality plus the benefits you outlined.

This may not seem very impressive to someone who has no need to support large Wi-Fi deployments, like a typical home or office wireless network. These are not the cases this service is targeting anyway.

The target customers are enterprises that are managing large-scale fully-automated sites like warehouses and factories that need to support 10s-100s of thousands of IOT devices which may include some time-critical systems that need ultra-low-latency reliable connections to a backend. Today these enterprises have to rent a 4g network from a telecom provider to enable these sites which takes months of planning and is expensive to operate and extend.

This is where the "convenience" becomes a game-changer. Using a private-5g service, an enterprise can deploy new large-scale networks in days, manage the networks like just another cloud resource, and extend the network at will. I presume the pricing model for the service will also be much more affordable where instead of paying for each end-user (IOT device), you'd likely be only charged for your data usage on pay-as-you-go basis.

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Post by Talanes »

ksec wrote: post #282
ineedasername wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>5G Self Driving Vehicle crap. I live in a dense suburb of a large city and 5G coverage seems not that great. I'm not sure why self-driving requires or gains much benefit from 5g anyway, but I wouldn't want to rely on it. You can certainly do car-to-car communication & coordination without it, and you wouldn't want a minor network outage turning the system into chaos.

Because certain vendor from certain country have a huge patent portfolio on Autonomous vehicle (AV) and wanted it to rely on 5G so that everything is centralised and could easily be controlled in the name of traffic shaping ( cough ). And somehow ( cough ) EU was brought into the whole thing until a Saint appeared, after being banished to hell he finally came back and convinced enough people AV with 5G would need to…

Any reason for the obfuscation?

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by cbsmith »

Once again 5G's brand overloading leads to as much confusion as clarification.

Yes, just as with LTE, CBRS is one of the bands (specifically n48) allocated for 5GNR. The GAA tier is pretty open for anyone to use, with all the good & the bad that comes with that. Apple added n48 with the iPhone 11, and a lot of other popular phones support either LTE or 5G on that band.

In effect, CBRS 5G is like WiFi with better range.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by beyondzero »

laserbeam wrote: post #244

It seems everyone here is confused. Here's the official FAQ, and it has 0 marketing garbage. https://aws.amazon.com/private5g/faqs/ There's no "telecom as a service", and there's no "5g can be split into multiple networks" nonsense. Amazon is just selling 5g access points and hardware (just like you would install wifi), and rents you a private connection for that hardware to AWS, and management of that network from A…

Spot on. This could be a game changer for us ($xB 100+ year old manufacturing company), where we are on a long, slow journey to digitize every piece of manufacturing (long and slow because manufacturing runs almost 24x7x365). Wifi, even the top enterprise systems, is not as resilient, cheap and quickly installed as we'd like.

So now I can use 5G instead, and template and deploy it via the cloud? Yes, yes! We'll put this through some cost models, but it will likely jump NPV of IoT and automation projects by pushing down the initial capital costs (fiber runs pulled by union electricians to wifi gear installed by a vendor vs. 5G base stations and servers installed and configured by plant electricians and corporate IT).

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by numpad0 »

Ballu wrote: post #251

Let me put my perspective, coming from a guy who is involved in private Cellular networking (US as well as other countries): 1) Private 5G can be deployed either with licensed operator (Cellular provider) or in CBRS band (CBRS band is opened by FCC for the private cellular deployment). It can be used free or paid, different options. (Fees is minimal). 2) CBRS still doesnt support 5G. No idea how AWS will provide. But…

Concerning your point 3) - Few years ago I was a bit excited about Local 4G, but commercial units sold back then could not handle tower handovers, and were very limited in bandwidth(5MHz/~10Mbps down, if I remember right). Has it improved, or if it hasn't, is it going to really offer significant advantages over Wi-Fi...?

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Post by aero-glide2 »

olyjohn wrote: post #233
aero-glide2 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Starlink could be that backhaul. Future terminals will have 1Gbps.

You don't even need that much bandwidth. I had no problem doing LTE over WiFi with a 1Mbit DSL line, with like 256k up on a good day.

Oh I mean for an whole village

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by Ballu »

numpad0 wrote: post #296
Ballu wrote: post #251

Let me put my perspective, coming from a guy who is involved in private Cellular networking (US as well as other countries): 1) Private 5G can be deployed either with licensed operator (Cellular provider) or in CBRS band (CBRS band is opened by FCC for the private cellular deployment). It can be used free or paid, different options. (Fees is minimal). 2) CBRS still doesnt support 5G. No idea how AWS will provide. But…

Concerning your point 3) - Few years ago I was a bit excited about Local 4G, but commercial units sold back then could not handle tower handovers, and were very limited in bandwidth(5MHz/~10Mbps down, if I remember right). Has it improved, or if it hasn't, is it going to really offer significant advantages over Wi-Fi...?

As I mentioned, bandwidth is proportional to available access/RF bandwidth (Shannon's Theorem). Current available band in US (CBRS) is limited to 20MHz per user/enterprise 9I think for enterprise you can go higher, but its still limited). FCC hasn't updated the standards (CBRS) for 5G. Germany is way ahead in p5G (trying to keep the leadership in Industry 4.0/Industrie 4.0, I am not sure what's the available band there. Search for Hannover Trade fairs private 5G where its deployed for Edge computing and secure industrial app ecosystem). In terms of bandwidth, p5G will not provide any advantage over WiFi esp WiFi6. Its the enterprise level ecosystem where its going to be huge differentiator.

Regarding your point of tower level handover, that will not be an issue. It should not be in pLTE (p4G) too. But I can understand in earlier versions, the systems might be feature limited.

Are you sure it was local 4G service line p4G or Femto service where operators provide small device to cover either indoor no-RF spots or to move the traffic load from network to public internet/network.

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Post by uncomputation »

taf2 wrote: post #248
laserbeam wrote: post #244

It seems everyone here is confused. Here's the official FAQ, and it has 0 marketing garbage. https://aws.amazon.com/private5g/faqs/ There's no "telecom as a service", and there's no "5g can be split into multiple networks" nonsense. Amazon is just selling 5g access points and hardware (just like you would install wifi), and rents you a private connection for that hardware to AWS, and management of that network from A…

I'm still kinda of confused... does that mean we could say get a simcard and make voice calls via this network? insert sim card into mobile phone android/iphone and make phone calls?

No, this is for private networks with lots of wirelessly connected devices where using Wi-Fi is not ideal (say, a building with a lot of 24/7 cameras). I cannot say for certain, but it’s unlikely Amazon would be interfacing with major telephone carriers given that 1) they are using low power radio units and 2) they are using unlicensed spectrum.
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