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Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by throwaway946513 »

prepend wrote: post #122
loudtieblahblah wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i just don't see the point, from a consumer perspective, in all the major players fighting over who's version of Chromium is the most preferred. I get why the company's care - i just don't get why anyone else does. Firefox, for all it's modern faults, is the only browser that's actually different in any substantial way.

> i just don't see the point, from a consumer perspective, in all the major players fighting over who's version of Chromium is the most preferred I imagine the telemetry is extremely important. Knowing every activity done by every user is valuable to Google, or Microsoft, or whoever gets the chrome feed. Of course this is why I like brave, FireFox, safari and others as there is no similar telemetry.

Nice thing about Firefox:

about:telemetry

Full details on what is sent to Mozilla, how it's used, and easy to understand.

Additionally, if you don't like what's being sent, you're still able to disable telemetry.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by technobabbler »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #75
0x_rs wrote: post #30

I heard some people having a decent time with Edge in the past with some features implementations. Not that I would use it myself, but I'm firmly convinced these childish plays only ruin whatever good work was done on it. Who on Earth would continue using a browser that has such hostile behavior and dark patterns all over the place e.g., buy-now-pay-later at browser level? It's so hard to trust Microsoft anyway, I'm…

i just don't see the point, from a consumer perspective, in all the major players fighting over who's version of Chromium is the most preferred. I get why the company's care - i just don't get why anyone else does. Firefox, for all it's modern faults, is the only browser that's actually different in any substantial way.

> Firefox, for all it's modern faults, is the only browser that's actually different in any substantial way.

That's the thing. I don't WANT a browser that's actually different. The web is a duopoly between Apple and Google, and everything else is a second-class citizen. The era of an "open" web came and went, passing us by as capitalism took over. Firefox offers no meaningful freedom when all the content it's supposed to consume was designed by and for big companies targeting other big companies' products and customers.

Using Firefox introduces a lot of headaches and subjects you to frequent, meaningless UI updates that add partner extensions against your will and show you recommendations that I don't want to see... Mozilla is desperately trying to stay relevant and has introduced a lot more dark patterns than Chrome has, all while adding no value beyond some vague, lackluster appeal to a libre web... too little, too late.

Google, for all its faults, makes a darn good browser. The only downside is that they track my habits. So what? I'm not particularly exciting, and the only real cost I've noticed, beyond needing an ad blocker, is that my Google News feed gets cluttered with shit I don't care about derived from my browsing history. But other than that Chrome is just wonderfully simple and clean compared to the bloated Firefox (and its lookalike clones, Opera and Edge).

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by archontes »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #75
0x_rs wrote: post #30

I heard some people having a decent time with Edge in the past with some features implementations. Not that I would use it myself, but I'm firmly convinced these childish plays only ruin whatever good work was done on it. Who on Earth would continue using a browser that has such hostile behavior and dark patterns all over the place e.g., buy-now-pay-later at browser level? It's so hard to trust Microsoft anyway, I'm…

i just don't see the point, from a consumer perspective, in all the major players fighting over who's version of Chromium is the most preferred. I get why the company's care - i just don't get why anyone else does. Firefox, for all it's modern faults, is the only browser that's actually different in any substantial way.

The substantial difference that I experience is that it is incapable of utilizing hardware acceleration for youtube videos using an nvidia graphics card in a linux environment, and that I don't get tab-to-complete search in the bar.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by mmastrac »

technobabbler wrote: post #152
loudtieblahblah wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i just don't see the point, from a consumer perspective, in all the major players fighting over who's version of Chromium is the most preferred. I get why the company's care - i just don't get why anyone else does. Firefox, for all it's modern faults, is the only browser that's actually different in any substantial way.

> Firefox, for all it's modern faults, is the only browser that's actually different in any substantial way. That's the thing. I don't WANT a browser that's actually different. The web is a duopoly between Apple and Google, and everything else is a second-class citizen. The era of an "open" web came and went, passing us by as capitalism took over. Firefox offers no meaningful freedom when all the content it's suppose…

This comment reads like you've never lived through a browser monopoly. Sure it's great now, but do you think Google will work as hard and dedicate as much budget if there are two or even worse - just one - viable browser?

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by quitit »

twobitshifter wrote: post #135

Ok, so I don’t condone this behavior by Microsoft or Google, but I do use edge at work since we are a Microsoft heavy company with Sharepoint, teams, outlook, and all that. If we were using Google I’d surely use Chrome, but edge bakes in your Microsoft work profile to the browser and when searching on Bing you can find documents on your internal network easily. I also like the fact that edge supports vertical tabs ou…

I do find it silly - but have never liked how Google promoted their browser on their properties (with factually incorrect speed and efficiency claims - which seem to work since plenty of people here parrot them whenever possible.)

I see Google prompting users to download Chrome on Google.com similar behaviour to Microsoft using Windows 95 to push Internet Explorer.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by jefftk »

technobabbler wrote: post #152
loudtieblahblah wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i just don't see the point, from a consumer perspective, in all the major players fighting over who's version of Chromium is the most preferred. I get why the company's care - i just don't get why anyone else does. Firefox, for all it's modern faults, is the only browser that's actually different in any substantial way.

> Firefox, for all it's modern faults, is the only browser that's actually different in any substantial way. That's the thing. I don't WANT a browser that's actually different. The web is a duopoly between Apple and Google, and everything else is a second-class citizen. The era of an "open" web came and went, passing us by as capitalism took over. Firefox offers no meaningful freedom when all the content it's suppose…

> Mozilla ... has introduced a lot more dark patterns than Chrome has

What are you referring to?

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by j16sdiz »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #106
yrro wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Filing an issue report? Against Windows? Are you joking?

Unfortunately true. Microsoft support these days, even the paid support, is a complete trainwreck. We had cause to open 2 separate tickets for two separate issues lately. One of them was clearly a bug, has a community forum issue about it with oodles of data provided, and nearly a month in to the ticket I'm still getting 'try this configuration' style bullshit from some low-level tech. I would expect that for free, b…

In my previous job, I have seen windows support cases escalated to somebody who know how to do kernel debugging. I have no idea how much did that cost, but this level of support does exist.
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