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Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by 0x0nyandesu » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 2:51 PM UTC

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #77

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #66

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What the hell are you doing with your Windows profiles. I've admin'd many Windows machines and have a Windows install AND a VM windows install and have literally never had a problem with windows profile. Have you at least attempted to debug the issue, or can you point to a issue report you have filed? This is someone who uses linux for 99.99% of all computing things, so its not like I'm a Windows shill

They might mean things like having all their file type associations wiped out because feature updates insist on doing that, rather than literally having their profile destroyed. Then again, I've seen Windows do weirder things.

Both.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by tartoran » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 2:52 PM UTC

ChrisLTD wrote: post #73

coliveira wrote: post #56

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> I was auto-upgraded to it a few weeks ago The train wreck starts there. Who wants a system that auto upgrades itself without the user permission?

I want auto updates for security patches, please.

Security patches != system upgrade = broken of existing installations and reset any custom configurations

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by kryogen1c » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 2:54 PM UTC

eh. google.com pops up a nearly identical box when using edge. seems like a bit of a nonstory. is it anti-competitive because its on a microsoft OS? hardly seems like consumers are being harmed.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by Spivak » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 2:55 PM UTC

0x0nyandesu wrote: post #71

Spivak wrote: post #58

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The same search for bing has 5000 results.

Lol who searches for bing info on Google? Seriously?

Good lord. This is a search of the articles on the website cnn.com using Google search. It’s not Google Trends.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by NikolaeVarius » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 2:55 PM UTC

0x0nyandesu wrote: post #74

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the hell are you doing with your Windows profiles. I've admin'd many Windows machines and have a Windows install AND a VM windows install and have literally never had a problem with windows profile. Have you at least attempted to debug the issue, or can you point to a issue report you have filed? This is someone who uses linux for 99.99% of all computing things, so its not like I'm a Windows shill

Run two upgrades in a row..see how it goes for you. I ran insider edition for years and that's a pretty common scenario when doing updates. And that's not even the legit bugs that have occured as well.

I've done this for dozens of computers. I have not seen this issue.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by yrro » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 2:55 PM UTC

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #66

0x0nyandesu wrote: post #43

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Every windows since 7 has been a train wreck by my standards. The amount of times I've had a system update just clear my windows profile is objectively abysmal and yet every HN thread someone will go and defend them. No one cares about HDR. How about some decent data retention? I get better frame rates in Linux running wine than I do in windows 10 since the 2020 updates.

What the hell are you doing with your Windows profiles. I've admin'd many Windows machines and have a Windows install AND a VM windows install and have literally never had a problem with windows profile. Have you at least attempted to debug the issue, or can you point to a issue report you have filed? This is someone who uses linux for 99.99% of all computing things, so its not like I'm a Windows shill

Filing an issue report? Against Windows? Are you joking?

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by NikolaeVarius » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 2:55 PM UTC

0x0nyandesu wrote: post #81

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They might mean things like having all their file type associations wiped out because feature updates insist on doing that, rather than literally having their profile destroyed. Then again, I've seen Windows do weirder things.

Both.

Provide issue links

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by loudtieblahblah » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 2:55 PM UTC

mynameismon wrote: post #63

easton wrote: post #42

Humorously, using tools built into Windows 10 and 11 now, you can open a PowerShell window, type winget install Google.Chrome, and never open Edge once if you don't want to.

That is exactly what I love about Windows 11 particularly. I don't have to deal the abdominations like Microsoft News, just a winget away. Don't like Edge? winget uninstall -e "Microsoft.Edge"

i look at advancements like this in Windows and think it's really cool.

But after spending so many years, especially in the late 90s and early 2000s, getting shit from a bunch of khaki wearing, corporate butt kissing MSCE types about how Linux is "get what you pay for" and constantly mocking that all this "free software can't do anything"

and then sitting back and watching Linux empowering cloud computing, Unix/Linux being the basis of all our mobile devices, being the base for most IoT, watching the explosion of Docker and tons of other toolsets all initially rooted in the Unix/Linux ecosystem, watching Unix/Linux become a tool that developers heavily relied on either Linux on the server or Linux/MacOS on the desktop/laptop...

watching Microsoft do things like making Notepad use Unix EOL characters, supporting MS SQL on Linux hosts, expanding PowerShell to perform all kinds of tasks easily done by Unix/Linux for over a decade, creating a knock off of apt and yum with "win-get", making it super easy to install a whole Linux ecosystem within Windows itself, doing everything they can to make using GIT on windows, an easy experience, and so forth and so on..

and i just can't help being figuratively stick up my middle finger. Not just to MS as a company but to all the clowns that mocked Linux and Unix guys for literally 20 some odd years. Not just peers and co-workers, but managers, upper level managers all the way to CTOs who reluctantly realized Linix solutions were a better fit in some areas and were won over by lower management.

At this juncture - i don't even particularly like desktop computing, no matter the flavor. It's all frustrating in their own ways - including my precious Linux.

But F* windows and F** windows people in IT. The whole lot of em

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 2:55 PM UTC

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #75

0x_rs wrote: post #30

I heard some people having a decent time with Edge in the past with some features implementations. Not that I would use it myself, but I'm firmly convinced these childish plays only ruin whatever good work was done on it. Who on Earth would continue using a browser that has such hostile behavior and dark patterns all over the place e.g., buy-now-pay-later at browser level? It's so hard to trust Microsoft anyway, I'm…

i just don't see the point, from a consumer perspective, in all the major players fighting over who's version of Chromium is the most preferred. I get why the company's care - i just don't get why anyone else does. Firefox, for all it's modern faults, is the only browser that's actually different in any substantial way.

What faults to you find in Firefox, when compared to Chrome?

I switched a year ago and I was emotionally prepared to fight a rough battle with problematic websites, incompatible apps and so on. I was very positively surprised. The only major PITA was the fact that I had to define MIME types for downloadable documents that I wanted to save by default - the usual box "remember this option" was missing for .mkv and the like. So far, this was the only major complaint on my part. Everything else was very positive, especially the containers, no forced Google logins everywhere, the availability of extensions that Google doesn't like (like Ad Nauseam) and so on. I wouldn't go back even if someone paid me (OK let's be honest: I'd do it if I was paid more than €1000 a year).

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by kgwxd » Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 2:57 PM UTC

dgellow wrote: post #36

nojito wrote: post #35

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How is this any different than what google does in google app?

They are both bad.

Phone OSes got/get away with it because they came out of the gate doing it. MS and Apple have been trying to convert their PC OSes into the same thing ever since. They're envious of Chrome OS. "Compatibility", "standards based" and "open platform" used to be badges of honor. In my opinion, MS and Google would be better off sticking to being open, because if everyone is forced to chose between walled gardens, Apple is going to beat them both every single time.