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Re: Instagram Is Facebook Now

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Post by yakubin »

mattferderer wrote: post #158
andrew_eit wrote: post #35

Facebook aside you really see this across the board on almost any platform, that once the product reaches it's 1.0 stage, (where it is good, does what the users want it to do, and has realised its vision) it begins a process of gradual decay, as the focus of the product managers (now panicking to find some statistics to improve to show their bosses) shifts from "building functionality" to "increasing engagement/reten…

In short, see 80/20 rule. Once you've hit 80 you probably should look at growing horizontally. I don't use Facebook but I'm under the impression they've done this somewhat with local market places, games & video streaming. It sounds to me that you're sick of common abused marketing tactics or maybe it's just that I am & therefore that's how I read your post. Gamification, Deadly Sins, Reciprocity, etc..

> Once you've hit 80 you probably should look at growing horizontally.

To many it happens after hitting 40.

Re: Instagram Is Facebook Now

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Post by physicles »

jaequery wrote: post #129

In what seems like a blink of an eye, Facebook, is now considered the old people platform, according to kids these days. It took me a while to grasp it but it looks like FB has a huge problem in there hands and it's interesting to see how they tackle their image.

Facebook became the old people platform when my parents and relatives joined in ~2012. That's about the time I stopped using it.

Re: Instagram Is Facebook Now

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Post by pophardpunk »

azemetre wrote: post #221
flycaliguy wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a few seasons of US Big Brother which are genuinely great, intelligent and deep TV. You have to look past the production a bit and get in their heads. At the end of the day, it’s people trapped inside a TV show. It’s a psychological experiment. It’s a real competition for real money involving deception and alliances. Same with Survivor. These shows are often bad but there are some gem seasons out there.

Are you referring to the season where a doctor said everything he was going to do to everyone, then did it, and won? I'm trying to find that season, I think it's early 2000s but I may be wrong.

Dr. Will Kirby! My wife used to work under him at his beauty and asthetic company.

https://www.laseraway.com/doctors/dr-will-kirby-d-o-faocd/

Re: Instagram Is Facebook Now

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Post by dragonwriter »

dls2016 wrote: post #218
dragonwriter wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is the kind of stuff that makes it hard to claim that Facebook is a "neutral" platform. Who claims that?

Isn't this kind of the core of Section 230 protection?

> Isn't this kind of the core of Section 230 protection?

No, the opposite: § 230 exists to protect platform’s (and user’s, to the extent they have control of these things) ability to pick and choose when to promote, demote, or outright block third-party content—based on their view of what is worthy or objectionable or somewhere in between—and how to present the content they do present, without being exposed to either publisher liability for what they present or how they present it or any liability for the decisions they make to block content based on their view of what is objectionable.

It exists to enable the polar opposite of neutrality by all parties involved.

Re: Instagram Is Facebook Now

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Post by spacelamb »

Apocryphon wrote: post #191
spacelamb wrote: post #120

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As a counter-point, IG recently made it much easier to upload content directly from a desktop operating system. It finally added a button for users upload posts from a web browser from a desktop OS (before, you had to switch the browser's user agent to identify as a mobile device, then refresh). But separately, if professional brands really do take over IG over user-generated content between friends, the runner-up is…

VSCO also doesn't have likes, wonder how that network's been faring.

On Instagram, I've seen VSCO links as the "link in bio" (the url in the user's profile) for a few acquaintances I follow. Baader-Meinhoff phenomenon [0] at play; I believed I never heard of VSCO before, but just saw a link in bio, and remembered a couple other appearances.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion

Re: Instagram Is Facebook Now

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Post by jzawodn »

kamranjon wrote: post #166
ssalazar wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is putting a lot of undue blame on product managers who only have so much autonomy in a business regime set up for perpetual "growth" that is necessarily quantifiable and ultimately aimed towards economic growth. Constant growth is the underlying objective for any investment-driven software business (pretty much any of the businesses regularly talked about on this site, and certainly ones supported by this site'…

Another good example is Craigslist. I always wonder about how great it would be to work there.

We're hiring. :-)

https://www.craigslist.org/about/craigslist_is_hiring

Re: Instagram Is Facebook Now

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Post by lovecg »

epolanski wrote: post #65
marcodiego wrote: post #32

I don't understand Instagram language. My GF uses it. It is full of digital influencers, people who make money because they are digital influencers. Young people with sometimes funny but generally pointless and most often ridiculous dancing moves to an equally ridiculous repetitive song. People buying expensive things, doing idiot things talking about uninteresting details of the uninteresting lives of equally uninte…

I met one of the most brilliant people in my life. Smart, passionate about art, culture, politics. Brilliant student, top of her class from elementary through college. Fluent (as in certified) C2 in English and German. Terrific career as a public servant in foreign politics already in her late 20s. She would never, ever, miss a single episode of a “reality” about dating in tv, a show famous in Italy as “trash tv”. It…

And hey, some of us use HN in the same way!

Re: Instagram Is Facebook Now

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Post by kbenson »

mcny wrote: post #224
kbenson wrote: post #46

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> We, as in the IT industry, need to come up with a culture or methodology of 'declaring a product complete' whereby all product managers are gracefully allowed to move on and a product is put into a state of stasis We live in a time when large companies will divest themselves of profitable but not growing businesses because it gets in the way of the core mission, which for large public companies is only one thing. G…

» Private companies can sometimes get away with it, as long as the people backing them don't start to see them as investment vehicles like any other public company. I don't know if anyone has any chance if Stack Exchange can't stay independent. Like the product was arguably "done" years ago if you ignore monetization. » As you may have seen in the news this morning, Prosus (AEX:PRX) has announced its intention to acq…

> This is, in some ways, the best possible outcome. Stack Overflow stays independent.

Sometimes I wonder if the people writing these are actually as oblivious as they sound or is they're self aware enough to now be using this verbage to actually be messaging the exact opposite, given how many times this has been written and shown to be false, no matter how much people want it not to be.

Does anyone actually believe that SO isn't beholden to the owning entity, and that no control will be exerted?

Re: Instagram Is Facebook Now

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Post by afterburner »

rgbrgb wrote: post #68
andrew_eit wrote: post #35

Facebook aside you really see this across the board on almost any platform, that once the product reaches it's 1.0 stage, (where it is good, does what the users want it to do, and has realised its vision) it begins a process of gradual decay, as the focus of the product managers (now panicking to find some statistics to improve to show their bosses) shifts from "building functionality" to "increasing engagement/reten…

Netflix seems good at not destroying their product... though inherently the vision is kind of a scaled distraction machine. I agree with the thrust of your comment and wonder how we might get there. Software companies did look more like you describe in the past, and a few like (some parts of) Apple and some game companies still do. Mostly these are companies that ship a chunk of finished software rather than a "servi…

Netflix, in it's early years, actually had a really good recommendation engine.

But then they figured out there's more money in not just giving you what you'll like best.

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