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Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by pavel_lishin »

blakes wrote: post #50
echelon wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The degradation of Google Play Music into YouTube Music has to be one of the most disappointing product merges in history. All of the power functionality disappeared. I can't even find the music I want anymore without great effort. As a consequence, I'm listening to my favorite artists less frequently, and haven't even thought about concerts, festivals, albums, etc. A dumb but rich tabular music + metadata store woul…

I miss GPM so much. No one I know in person knew it existed, yet they still get to listen to my rants about Google killing the one true music service. I too have been finding music discovery difficult since GPM shutdown. YouTube Music is getting better at discovery fortunately, but I'm not finding multiple new albums/artists per week, more like 1-2 new albums or artists every couple weeks. One of my favorite GPM feat…

YTM supports caching music locally much like GPM did, although I believe you have to explicitly specify what you want to cache on your device.

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Post by taylodl »

Having recently upgraded to Catalina (I've been running Mojave for quite some time now!) I somehow completely missed the boat that iTunes is gone and has been replaced with Music. Apparently the functionality of iTunes has been split between Finder (sync iPhone, rip CDs) and Music.

Music had all my iTunes purchases (good), but none of my albums I'd legally ripped from my CDs. Long story short, I had to import the library. At least all the music is there and I can play everything. The frustrating thing is some of the album artwork has been lost - even though they're there in the library that was imported!

On my iPhone I use a music player called Plum. I love it. I wish something similar existed for MacOS.

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Post by stavros »

andrewla wrote: post #16

Google Play Music was extremely album-focused, but their move over to YouTube Music has basically scrapped that. GPM even let you modify the metadata for albums; I had used this to strip out things like "(2020 Remaster Special Gold Edition)" from album names, and to cut "bonus" tracks off of albums (nothing as fun as playing an album and then getting a two hour long spoken word interview with Quincy Jones), and final…

Remember Grooveshark?

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Post by OldHand2018 »

jjcon wrote: post #55
shmerl wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not from Apple Music though? I thought it's rent only. iTunes sells files, yes. I still prefer stores that sell FLAC. Apple's aversion to common open audio formats always irritated me.

Apple Music is DRM yes (it can be de-DRMed though fairly easily), purchased music from iTunes is DRM free.

I guess it's not just me: It is confusing. I thought there were two ways to get music from Apple but apparently there are at least 3.

One of which gives you re-downloadable DRM-free files.

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Post by conradev »

achairapart wrote: post #34

Spotify, Apple Music, Tidal, Google Music or whatever now is called. I tried them all. They are all the same to me. There is one big thing that all these streaming services are missing: *METADATA* Give me all the album by this label, all the songs produced by X or all the songs where in Y plays drums. All the albums recorded at some studio in the year Z. With tools like this I will spend years (and whatever money) on…

Much of that data is in these services, in some form, for billing

Too bad that exposing it is likely too “niche” for them to prioritize

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Post by judge2020 »

Thaxll wrote: post #37
andrewla wrote: post #16

Google Play Music was extremely album-focused, but their move over to YouTube Music has basically scrapped that. GPM even let you modify the metadata for albums; I had used this to strip out things like "(2020 Remaster Special Gold Edition)" from album names, and to cut "bonus" tracks off of albums (nothing as fun as playing an album and then getting a two hour long spoken word interview with Quincy Jones), and final…

It's really a weird merge, I browse youtube and I see the music I like from Youtube Music there because musics are somehow fetched from YT and not from a different place ( like it was on Google music ). It seems that if the music is officialy available on Youtube, Youtube Music fetch the music from there, if not it's using an internal catalog.

In my experience you can open most all videos categorized as 'music' from YPP creators, but the 'songs' section of search results is effectively the Google Play Music/actually-published songs index.

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Post by hasbot »

I keep a copy of my entire music library on my phone and don't use any music service at all. I have over 13,000 songs across over 1200 albums and 500 artists. I don't need to find any more music; there's plenty of good songs in my library that I haven't fully absorbed yet.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

achairapart wrote: post #34

Spotify, Apple Music, Tidal, Google Music or whatever now is called. I tried them all. They are all the same to me. There is one big thing that all these streaming services are missing: *METADATA* Give me all the album by this label, all the songs produced by X or all the songs where in Y plays drums. All the albums recorded at some studio in the year Z. With tools like this I will spend years (and whatever money) on…

Musicbrainz has the most of this kind of information. I often use it to find out where/year the songs from a compilation came from. Wikipedia as well, though it is unstructured.

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Post by xoa »

RileyJames wrote: post #32
orobinson wrote: post #9

This is exactly why I started using Apple Music. Some of my music collection isn’t on streaming platforms but Apple Music let’s me host it and stream it in a library right alongside music I don’t “own”. I also generally like the paradigm of being able to collect streamed music into a library so I can come back to things again and again. Back when I last used Spotify around 2015 I used the starred playlist to do this…

This is why I use Bandcamp. I don’t trust apple not to change the deal at some point. Where as with band camp I actually own things.

I mean, I'm 100% with you on Bandcamp being absolutely awesome. But I'm not sure what you mean by this?:

>I don’t trust apple not to change the deal at some point. Where as with band camp I actually own things.

The whole point here though is that the "deal" if you're just doing your own library sync is that it's your own library. Yeah you can listen to Apple Music's streaming stuff too and in that case it could indeed presumably vanish at some point (I don't think it'd be at all about Apple though, it'd be about the actual rights holders, Apple doesn't own the copyright on most[any?] of this stuff). But if one chooses to make their own library the core source of truth, the worst that could happen there would be Apple throwing in the towel on the cloud match stuff. There'd be no more seamless easy sync of libraries between devices in that case (unless they astonished by enabling a selfhost/LAN version of that again) but it's not like you'd lose anything at all. Everything you own you'd still own.

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