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Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by erdaltoprak »

cuddlybacon wrote: post #2

> This article explains how students do not follow the same organization paradigm based on folders and local file management. This could be, in part, attributed to the new ways young students learn, which is on online first operating systems or tablets, where by default, the local system is hidden and also where everything is done through applications. For me it was because I realized that the time I spent doing this…

Hi,

I’m sorry if it appeared that way, it was quite difficult for me to covey properly my thoughts on this subject.

I wanted to portray that it just makes sense that music software isn’t made that way anymore since a lot of people do not follow that kind of paradigm anymore.

I don’t think there is only one good answer about how to tackle music software.

I hope my answer cleared this up!

Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by RileyJames »

orobinson wrote: post #9

This is exactly why I started using Apple Music. Some of my music collection isn’t on streaming platforms but Apple Music let’s me host it and stream it in a library right alongside music I don’t “own”. I also generally like the paradigm of being able to collect streamed music into a library so I can come back to things again and again. Back when I last used Spotify around 2015 I used the starred playlist to do this…

This is why I use Bandcamp.

I don’t trust apple not to change the deal at some point.

Where as with band camp I actually own things.

Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by [deleted] »

grumpyprole wrote: post #23
etchalon wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can buy DRM free files from Apple. So the file is yours, transferrable, but you also can always go back and get another copy from Apple. The combination of the iTunes Store, Apple Music, and iTunes Match is the most expansive music service offering I can think of.

iTunes won't even play FLAC files, so it's rather inconvenient for people with existing libraries. Yes I know I could convert it all to some proprietary Apple format, but it's easier to just not buy an iPhone.

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Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by achairapart »

Spotify, Apple Music, Tidal, Google Music or whatever now is called. I tried them all. They are all the same to me.

There is one big thing that all these streaming services are missing: *METADATA*

Give me all the album by this label, all the songs produced by X or all the songs where in Y plays drums. All the albums recorded at some studio in the year Z. With tools like this I will spend years (and whatever money) on your service. They will give me unexplored ways to find and listen to new music, totally new meaningful relationships!

Heck, 9 times out of 10 even the album year is all wrong with these services! (I know, all these "remastered" editions from the labels don't help at all).

And they don't even need to build those datasets, they are already there, just ask (or buy out) discogs.com!

Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by Arrath »

echelon wrote: post #28
andrewla wrote: post #16

Google Play Music was extremely album-focused, but their move over to YouTube Music has basically scrapped that. GPM even let you modify the metadata for albums; I had used this to strip out things like "(2020 Remaster Special Gold Edition)" from album names, and to cut "bonus" tracks off of albums (nothing as fun as playing an album and then getting a two hour long spoken word interview with Quincy Jones), and final…

The degradation of Google Play Music into YouTube Music has to be one of the most disappointing product merges in history. All of the power functionality disappeared. I can't even find the music I want anymore without great effort. As a consequence, I'm listening to my favorite artists less frequently, and haven't even thought about concerts, festivals, albums, etc. A dumb but rich tabular music + metadata store woul…

I'm glad I'm not alone in lamenting the demise of Google Play Music.

Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by heavyset_go »

andrewla wrote: post #16

Google Play Music was extremely album-focused, but their move over to YouTube Music has basically scrapped that. GPM even let you modify the metadata for albums; I had used this to strip out things like "(2020 Remaster Special Gold Edition)" from album names, and to cut "bonus" tracks off of albums (nothing as fun as playing an album and then getting a two hour long spoken word interview with Quincy Jones), and final…

YouTube Music is the reason I moved over to self-hosted Jellyfin to host my music collection.

Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by Thaxll »

andrewla wrote: post #16

Google Play Music was extremely album-focused, but their move over to YouTube Music has basically scrapped that. GPM even let you modify the metadata for albums; I had used this to strip out things like "(2020 Remaster Special Gold Edition)" from album names, and to cut "bonus" tracks off of albums (nothing as fun as playing an album and then getting a two hour long spoken word interview with Quincy Jones), and final…

It's really a weird merge, I browse youtube and I see the music I like from Youtube Music there because musics are somehow fetched from YT and not from a different place ( like it was on Google music ).

It seems that if the music is officialy available on Youtube, Youtube Music fetch the music from there, if not it's using an internal catalog.

Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by cuddlybacon »

erdaltoprak wrote: post #31
cuddlybacon wrote: post #2

> This article explains how students do not follow the same organization paradigm based on folders and local file management. This could be, in part, attributed to the new ways young students learn, which is on online first operating systems or tablets, where by default, the local system is hidden and also where everything is done through applications. For me it was because I realized that the time I spent doing this…

Hi, I’m sorry if it appeared that way, it was quite difficult for me to covey properly my thoughts on this subject. I wanted to portray that it just makes sense that music software isn’t made that way anymore since a lot of people do not follow that kind of paradigm anymore. I don’t think there is only one good answer about how to tackle music software. I hope my answer cleared this up!

Hi op,

Based on some other comments I think the elitist remark is uncalled for in this situation. Looking again, you were neutral on it. I just assumed it was meant negatively.

Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by AlexandrB »

echelon wrote: post #28
andrewla wrote: post #16

Google Play Music was extremely album-focused, but their move over to YouTube Music has basically scrapped that. GPM even let you modify the metadata for albums; I had used this to strip out things like "(2020 Remaster Special Gold Edition)" from album names, and to cut "bonus" tracks off of albums (nothing as fun as playing an album and then getting a two hour long spoken word interview with Quincy Jones), and final…

The degradation of Google Play Music into YouTube Music has to be one of the most disappointing product merges in history. All of the power functionality disappeared. I can't even find the music I want anymore without great effort. As a consequence, I'm listening to my favorite artists less frequently, and haven't even thought about concerts, festivals, albums, etc. A dumb but rich tabular music + metadata store woul…

Seems like something similar happened to Google Pay[1] as well. With a few exceptions Google seems to suck at discerning between good and bad products. It'll shelve the likes of Reader or neuter Google Play Music, but insist on pushing garbage like G+.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/the-new-google-pay-r...

Re: Apple Music is the last library focused music service

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Post by apocalyptic0n3 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #36
andrewla wrote: post #16

Google Play Music was extremely album-focused, but their move over to YouTube Music has basically scrapped that. GPM even let you modify the metadata for albums; I had used this to strip out things like "(2020 Remaster Special Gold Edition)" from album names, and to cut "bonus" tracks off of albums (nothing as fun as playing an album and then getting a two hour long spoken word interview with Quincy Jones), and final…

YouTube Music is the reason I moved over to self-hosted Jellyfin to host my music collection.

Same here, except I went the Plex/Plexamp route. Terrific experience.
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