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Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by imwillofficial »

blowski wrote: post #266
hattmall wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not, except cost. It would be too expensive to compete with the national providers and then you would still need to interface with them for any service outside of the city. It's possible, just not the intended use case and not a logical use.

I remember people making very similar claims about AWS EC2 in 2007.

Ah, so the mythical beast of future Amazon 5G use cases can be anything I want then, right? How about unicorns?

I see what you’re saying, but just because a similar statement was made about another service, does not mean the outcome will be the same in this instance with vastly different dynamics at play.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by imwillofficial »

The number of people completely missing what this service does either means they did not read the article, or the article was very poor in clairity.

For those who were mistaken, which was it?

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by neolefty »

Raed667 wrote: post #82

Now imagine a future where every device you buy is connected to the internet wirelessly, whether you like it or not.

Not relevant to this, which is about physically placing antennae at a location, to provide a local service.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by hadlock »

WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #146
ribosometronome wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please excuse my vast ignorance but wouldn't Tesla, Uber or whomever need to deploy a massive network of 5g towers for that? Or is more that Tesla/Uber/etc could much more easily become an MVNO-like-provider because of network slicing?

The second comment. The telecoms via 5G have been positioning themselves to rent their infrastructure on-demand. The AWS partnership is this but Amazon then re-extending it to developers on their platform as part of their "Cloud" offerings. I doubt Amazon has many towers of their own here and are almost entirely through one of the telecoms.

I think this is more like long haul wifi for your corporate campus, factory, port, university etc. Maybe even for things like parking meters (san francisco's parking meters are famously being updated/upgraded because they're ending EDGE network used by the modems in the parking meters)

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Post by Ballu »

laserbeam wrote: post #263
Ballu wrote: post #251

Let me put my perspective, coming from a guy who is involved in private Cellular networking (US as well as other countries): 1) Private 5G can be deployed either with licensed operator (Cellular provider) or in CBRS band (CBRS band is opened by FCC for the private cellular deployment). It can be used free or paid, different options. (Fees is minimal). 2) CBRS still doesnt support 5G. No idea how AWS will provide. But…

Is thei FAQ in line with your understanding? You might be more capable than me at parsing it for all I can understand is: "You will receive all the AWS Private 5G hardware (including SIM cards) and software you need to deploy your private cellular network and connect devices to your applications." I translate that to: we sell 5G access points as an alternative to wifi access points. Am I wrong? Cause if I am right I…

You are on right path. Its of no use for consumer. Private 5G cant compete against WiFi with current ecosystem. The end devices dont support 5G modem (or 4G). It cant compete against WLL (Wireless in Local Loop) (Means Wireless based broadband service). As you need dedicated internet service to configure p5G (private 5G) and to let it remain active, there is no business case for p5G for broadband service/WLL. There is another service, FWA/Fixed Wireless Access, by different 5G provider where you get a receiver which is connected to home router. Good question is, what this hype of p5G:

1) Industrial area coverage: Where you need 50 WiFi radio unit, you can provide service with 3-4 p4G/p5G radios.

2) Hazardous areas: where you cant provide the networking at all the corners or areas, one p5G radio blast area (esp with beam technology) can provide the coverage.

3) Security: Mobile phone systems are based on shared secret and proven to be secure in terms of access compare as well as on air to other technology.

4) Packet loss: Less packet loss compare to WiFi (believe me, its big deal in Industrial world)

5) Compatibility: what's a negative for 5G modem (not many devices are available), is positive to some extent. Once investment is made with 5G modem, the device can be on road too. THink like, acting like enterprise node in p5G area and limited services outside (or device consumer).

6) Edge computing: With new standards, the applications can run at the edge. Those can be done currently with WiFi too. But WiFi has limitation of devices counts (too many needed), path reliability and geographic coverage. Whole factory or port or airport can be covered with small p5G footprint with specific applications running at the Edge (I live in this world :) )

p5G will be game changer in enterprises with large complexes with moving assets.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by ignoramous »

cshipley wrote: post #192
vineyardmike wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? This doesn't seem to use AT&T at all, and amazon is actually bringing their own hardware too. This isn't MVNO-aaS. Its Antenae-aaS.

>This isn't MVNO-aaS. Its Antenae-aaS. I think a lot of people are missing this point. This will not allow someone to become their own carrier. It allows someone to install their own "cell towers" and have devices connect to them without having to use a 3rd party carrier.

Btw, MVNO-aaS does exist (for 5G, too): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_virtual_network_enabler

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Post by midasuni »

hirako2000 wrote: post #113
paxys wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they can (and sometimes already do) insert a SIM card in the TV and use any of the consumer 4G/LTE/5G networks out there which your phone connects to. Why are people hypothesizing that Vizio will ship a $250K 5G base station to your house?

because if setting up private 5G networks becomes cheaper and open to any business then the chance TV manufacturers consider putting 5G base near enough your house.

But it’s cheaper and easier to just embed a normal 4g modem and SIM card

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Post by femto113 »

jcims wrote: post #38
FemmeAndroid wrote: post #28

I'd love to see _some_ pricing estimates. There's a good amount I'd pay to get something like this for some rural communities, but it's unclear if I'm anywhere near able to afford it.

Probably a small outpost deployment + RF gear, so (guessing) $500K up front and $10-20k/mo. I don't know if it's possible to get RDOF grants for individual communities but that might cover some of it.

That's not the way AWS typically prices things--my guess is the hardware and setup costs will be baked into the monthly service charges.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by tenebrisalietum »

danudey wrote: post #219
WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #129

Become a telecom as a service! Super cool. For those who are glancing over, this is a big deal. 5G isn't really like 4G upgraded. It's more its own thing. I believe this has been available though for a while and many telecoms have partnerships with FAANG beyond Amazon. With 5G you can essentially split a network into multiple partitions and scale them independently on-demand called Network Slicing. (like cloud comput…

None of this is really what this service is intended for. If you read the whitepaper, they list examples of what this would be useful for; namely, covering your own space with your own 5G for your own devices. Deploy it in these areas instead of WiFi: 1. A stadium's remote ad/video/informational displays 2. A logistics distribution hub's stock-tracking robots/systems/handhelds 3. A corporate campus's smart displays o…

I got the impression this is Amazon providing Airave-type "femotcells" that emit a low-powered cellular signal and use your wired network for calls and data service. Seems to also imply Amazon would be providing SIM cards.

I'm not sure of the advantage of this over Wi-Fi, though, except to get devices that have no other option other than cellular connectivity to be forced to go over your own network.

> Cellular technology such as 4G/LTE and 5G augments existing networks with higher bandwidth, lower latency, and reliable long-range coverage to an increasing number of devices. With AWS Private 5G, you can build private cellular networks to take advantage of the technology benefits of 5G while maintaining the security and granular application and device controls of a private network.

That's from the Amazon website. Why not just deploy Wi-Fi?

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