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Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by ribosometronome »

WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #129

Become a telecom as a service! Super cool. For those who are glancing over, this is a big deal. 5G isn't really like 4G upgraded. It's more its own thing. I believe this has been available though for a while and many telecoms have partnerships with FAANG beyond Amazon. With 5G you can essentially split a network into multiple partitions and scale them independently on-demand called Network Slicing. (like cloud comput…

Please excuse my vast ignorance but wouldn't Tesla, Uber or whomever need to deploy a massive network of 5g towers for that? Or is more that Tesla/Uber/etc could much more easily become an MVNO-like-provider because of network slicing?

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by detaro »

javajosh wrote: post #139

Sounds like they are selling Wifi++ - what confuses me is how/why Amazon is involved, apart from selling the hardware. Is there a subscription piece? The implication of this product concerns me, although maybe it's just a communication issue. Amazon is selling this as an Amazon product, but wifi isn't an Amazon product, nor is 5G. They are retailing the gear to put up a 5G network - so why call it a "product" and rol…

Presumably they sell network management/operation/maintenance/... as a service. (Similar to how cloud-managed wifi stuff is a thing, except mobile networks are more complex)

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by jeffwask »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #122

Not sure how big the market will be for something like this; apart from, well, drug cartels in Mexico . 5G uses multiple bands, and the most useful, and highest throughput one, doesn't have a great range (high band, 24 GHz and up). So, perhaps you use 5G tech/devices but not use that, and instead focus on low band (600–900 MHz, few kilometers of range)? Would a mining company use this to oversee a large property? Wou…

It's been said that every dollar on the internet has been made by unbundling and rebundling products. In the US, cellular started as a service that was dominated by regional players and now it's essentially a 3 company monopoly. In the same way FinTech's have gone after traditional banks, I can see business models of providing regional or niche cell phone services.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by throwaway894345 »

ec109685 wrote: post #115
milesward wrote: post #83

This is such a dick move. Ex-AWS superstars built https://www.soracom.io/ , made AWS folks aware, who balked at a deal. Example 1198170892703973...

Tons of companies are in this space, e.g. https://www.verizon.com/about/news/verizon-business-launches... So it seems odd to call out AWS that they should have partnered with soracom or they aren't being ethical.

I think the idea is that AWS is slimy for rejecting a deal with a startup and then launching a competitive product. There's a difference between independently coming up with an idea versus transparently copying someone else's idea. Of course, we can't be certain that the AWS folks who launched Private 5g were even aware of the Soracom deal offer, but the optics certainly aren't favorable.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by alexatalktome »

WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #129

Become a telecom as a service! Super cool. For those who are glancing over, this is a big deal. 5G isn't really like 4G upgraded. It's more its own thing. I believe this has been available though for a while and many telecoms have partnerships with FAANG beyond Amazon. With 5G you can essentially split a network into multiple partitions and scale them independently on-demand called Network Slicing. (like cloud comput…

Seems unlikely many firms would want to scale out the hardware of their own network - rented from Amazon no less- instead.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by WORMS_EAT_WORMS »

ribosometronome wrote: post #141
WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #129

Become a telecom as a service! Super cool. For those who are glancing over, this is a big deal. 5G isn't really like 4G upgraded. It's more its own thing. I believe this has been available though for a while and many telecoms have partnerships with FAANG beyond Amazon. With 5G you can essentially split a network into multiple partitions and scale them independently on-demand called Network Slicing. (like cloud comput…

Please excuse my vast ignorance but wouldn't Tesla, Uber or whomever need to deploy a massive network of 5g towers for that? Or is more that Tesla/Uber/etc could much more easily become an MVNO-like-provider because of network slicing?

The second comment. The telecoms via 5G have been positioning themselves to rent their infrastructure on-demand. The AWS partnership is this but Amazon then re-extending it to developers on their platform as part of their "Cloud" offerings.

I doubt Amazon has many towers of their own here and are almost entirely through one of the telecoms.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by jjoonathan »

vxNsr wrote: post #112
pantulis wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't think that's the use case. how would AWS deploy a base station to my home? But you have a real point, and AWS already solved that with the 3G enabled Kindles by having carrier agreements. Why not doing that with Smart TVs?

> But you have a real point, and AWS already solved that with the 3G enabled Kindles by having carrier agreements. Amazon regretted that pretty soon after they did it, people hacked their kindles to be hotspots and it became an arms race amazon didn't wanna play.

Was that a big problem? I thought it was a single-intern sized problem.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by pdelgallego »

cinbun8 wrote: post #4

What's the business case for a service like this? Is there anyone on HN that would order this for example?

anything big enough that connecting it using wifi might be challenging. E.g. Port, factories, airports, ...
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