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Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by KallDrexx »

treesknees wrote: post #135
KallDrexx wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't need this for that. Instead they are using rings and echo devices that allow devices to connect and send small data out. You can't black hole them without black holing the ring/echos (making them useless). You can disable this feature but it's opt-out, and it may just connect to your neighbor's instead. I dont' remember the exact feature name though.

I believe you're referring to Amazon Sidewalk. It's more for their own devices like cameras and not for TV ad tracking (at least for now.) https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Sidewalk/

Yeah that's it, but on the blog post at https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/devices/introducing-amazon-... they say

> For device makers, we plan to publish protocols that any manufacturer can use to build reliable, low-power, low-cost devices that benefit from access to long-range, low-bandwidth wireless connections. In the meantime, you can sign up to be notified when more information is available.

So the intention is definitely there that device manufacturers can pay to delvier data over the network.

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Post by [deleted] »

jareklupinski wrote: post #157
Turing_Machine wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Don't think that's the use case. how would AWS deploy a base station to my home? Unless I'm misunderstanding how this works, it wouldn't need a base station in your home, just a commodity cellular modem with a network-specific SIM, and an uplink tower somewhere within range.

yup, the only thing in the past that was keeping companies from popping a sim into every product to report back home (above a certain price) was that there was nothing stopping you from pulling the sim and just using their plan in other devices, at least for a short while until the company realized what was up (if they cared to check (they usually didnt)) now they have complete control over the end-to-end, and can ch…

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Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by cptskippy »

vxNsr wrote: post #112
pantulis wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't think that's the use case. how would AWS deploy a base station to my home? But you have a real point, and AWS already solved that with the 3G enabled Kindles by having carrier agreements. Why not doing that with Smart TVs?

> But you have a real point, and AWS already solved that with the 3G enabled Kindles by having carrier agreements. Amazon regretted that pretty soon after they did it, people hacked their kindles to be hotspots and it became an arms race amazon didn't wanna play.

5G E2E Slicing will prevent such scenarios. The SIM will be bound to a network slice and restrictions will be dictated by the carrier.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by kizer »

So is this basically an alternative to lots of spread out WiFi routers? Like a university could get rid of all the routers in all the buildings and just have one or two of the "towers" Amazon would provide?

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by ocean_id »

joewadcan wrote: post #174

Are they using Magma[1]? I couldn't tell from their sparse FAQ[2]. The Magma community is strong and they're making great progress on the open standard. 1 Magma - Facebook built 5G hotspot platform: https://www.magmacore.org/ 2 AWS FAQ - https://aws.amazon.com/private5g/faqs/

They don't. As a matter of fact i'm here to see if the name company involved in this project is going to leak.

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Post by solarkraft »

josh_carterPDX wrote: post #177
arendtio wrote: post #148

How is a private 5G network different from wifi from a consumer/business perspective? Does it have a superior range? (Honest question)

Digital Trends has a good article about this. You can read it here: https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/5g-vs-wi-fi/

It's not really a good article in terms of answering my question what makes 5G a better wireless communication platform than Wifi (besides having a different spectrum - how much does it matter?).

When I think about creating a high speed wireless network for my factory/campus I don't think of 5G first, since it appears like it has the speed of Wifi, the range of Wifi (the power efficiency of Wifi?) and way more associated cost for stations, modems and SIM stuff while Wifi APs are pretty cheap and Wifi modems virtually free.

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Post by kizer »

no_time wrote: post #189

>Run a smart manufacturing facility >Enable business-critical applications I'm not sure what manufacturing facility are they talking about but at the places I know you will get ridiculed for even entertaining the idea of controlling infrastructure over anything but good old copper or fiber. And they are right.

Why? There are undoubtedly wireless components to the infrastructure's network already. If everything could just beam to a single tower what's the issue?

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by houseofzeus »

milesward wrote: post #91
milesward wrote: post #83

This is such a dick move. Ex-AWS superstars built https://www.soracom.io/ , made AWS folks aware, who balked at a deal. Example 1198170892703973...

As in, I'd love to see how much english from the marketing/docs/etc are just straight lifted from Soracom.

Well for one Soracom's homepage doesn't mention 5G (or private 5G) once...

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by kingcharles »

soheil wrote: post #158
FemmeAndroid wrote: post #28

I'd love to see _some_ pricing estimates. There's a good amount I'd pay to get something like this for some rural communities, but it's unclear if I'm anywhere near able to afford it.

What's next? Own your own island as a service™? I really like the direction AWS is headed and I like how they're opening up access to hard to setup hardware.

Prices starting at ONE BILLION DOLLARS.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Post by cesarb »

no_time wrote: post #189

>Run a smart manufacturing facility >Enable business-critical applications I'm not sure what manufacturing facility are they talking about but at the places I know you will get ridiculed for even entertaining the idea of controlling infrastructure over anything but good old copper or fiber. And they are right.

An obvious use case would be controlling a fleet of AGVs; forcing them all to be tethered could be very limiting.
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