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Re: AWS Private 5G

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This is such a dick move. Ex-AWS superstars built https://www.soracom.io/ , made AWS folks aware, who balked at a deal. Example 1198170892703973...

These aren’t even the same offering. AWS’s main selling point here is that they provide the 5G hardware like antennas, etc and create your own 5G network. Soracom just provides you a SIM and piggybacks off of existing 5G networks.

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Not sure how big the market will be for something like this; apart from, well, drug cartels in Mexico .

5G uses multiple bands, and the most useful, and highest throughput one, doesn't have a great range (high band, 24 GHz and up). So, perhaps you use 5G tech/devices but not use that, and instead focus on low band (600–900 MHz, few kilometers of range)? Would a mining company use this to oversee a large property? Would a large cattle operation benefit?

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I wonder which smart TV provider will be the first to use this instead of home wifi where people can disable or black hole connectivity.

Don't think that's the use case. how would AWS deploy a base station to my home? But you have a real point, and AWS already solved that with the 3G enabled Kindles by having carrier agreements. Why not doing that with Smart TVs?

> Don't think that's the use case. how would AWS deploy a base station to my home?

Unless I'm misunderstanding how this works, it wouldn't need a base station in your home, just a commodity cellular modem with a network-specific SIM, and an uplink tower somewhere within range.

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post #82

Now imagine a future where every device you buy is connected to the internet wirelessly, whether you like it or not.

Now imagine a future

- where every device you use belongs to a private company

- connects wirelessly through a network owned by a private company

- to services owned by a private company

- that loans you even more stuff owned by a private company

- and entertains you with content owned by a private company

- and all the websites and news and games and podcasts and chats are hosted on servers owned by a private company

and the democratic power that helps you control this private company is funded by the success of such a private company.

I fear a world where we have neither individual nor collective control of our everyday lives.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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post #82

Now imagine a future where every device you buy is connected to the internet wirelessly, whether you like it or not.

So what? You can always isolate these things by removing the antenna or if all else fails putting them in a faraday cage

Yeah I can totally imagine the average consumer opening the back of their TV to find an antenna or setting up a faraday cage in their living room /s

Re: AWS Private 5G

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post #21

I wonder which smart TV provider will be the first to use this instead of home wifi where people can disable or black hole connectivity.

They don't need this for that. Instead they are using rings and echo devices that allow devices to connect and send small data out. You can't black hole them without black holing the ring/echos (making them useless). You can disable this feature but it's opt-out, and it may just connect to your neighbor's instead.

I dont' remember the exact feature name though.

Re: AWS Private 5G

#128

Not sure how big the market will be for something like this; apart from, well, drug cartels in Mexico . 5G uses multiple bands, and the most useful, and highest throughput one, doesn't have a great range (high band, 24 GHz and up). So, perhaps you use 5G tech/devices but not use that, and instead focus on low band (600–900 MHz, few kilometers of range)? Would a mining company use this to oversee a large property? Wou…

Tacoma, WA is planning on deploying a private 5G network to make port operations more efficient.

You can imagine containers coming in and out of ports are slowed when someone has to physically inspect them for damage. There are a few companies using AI to detect damaged containers and having a higher bandwidth allows those images to be more clear which in turn allows the AI to be more accurate.

Re: AWS Private 5G

#129
Become a telecom as a service!

Super cool. For those who are glancing over, this is a big deal. 5G isn't really like 4G upgraded. It's more its own thing. I believe this has been available though for a while and many telecoms have partnerships with FAANG beyond Amazon.

With 5G you can essentially split a network into multiple partitions and scale them independently on-demand called Network Slicing. (like cloud computing but just the network).

This could be extremely useful for security. Maybe even the death of VPNs. This is also useful for scaling network resources to services as they need it.

Short-term, things like "Tesla Free Network" could exist for their self-driving cars. Or, Uber offering free fast Internet to their drivers or a truly private device.

Long-term, I am concerned about the emergence of private networks with different access. Such as a "Google Network" or a "Netflix Network" that offer different services or privacy levels at different costs.

It's a crazy, scary, but also fun direction we are going.

Edit: Final comment. If you think this might be the death of AT&T with independent providers, think again . Amazon & Co. and others like Google are bringing their developer platform, while the telecoms offer their infrastructure. It's a gross partnership that makes sense. When you send bits over the network -- everyone will be getting paid except you.

Re: AWS Private 5G

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Probably worth noting that the regular cell providers can also provide SIMS that dump the end device into your existing, normal private network rather than the internet. I don't know how this service differs in pricing, so it's hard to quantify when this AWS service would be a better idea outside of coverage issues.

Dedicated base stations are the difference here. There's a huge need for private communication networks outside of urban areas where there is bad cell coverage – think oil fields, docks, industrial estates, ranches, war zones.

Yes, sure...that's what I meant by "coverage issues". I wasn't sure everyone was aware of the route-to-my-private-network option that doesn't require a VPN, etc.
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