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Re: AWS Private 5G

#91

This is such a dick move. Ex-AWS superstars built https://www.soracom.io/ , made AWS folks aware, who balked at a deal. Example 1198170892703973...

As in, I'd love to see how much english from the marketing/docs/etc are just straight lifted from Soracom.

Re: AWS Private 5G

#92
post #82

Now imagine a future where every device you buy is connected to the internet wirelessly, whether you like it or not.

Is that time already here? Fridges, washing machines, dishwashers, TVs etc.

Not yet. All of those still require wifi or bluetooth. They ask the user to do the setup.

Re: AWS Private 5G

#93
post #82

Now imagine a future where every device you buy is connected to the internet wirelessly, whether you like it or not.

Is that time already here? Fridges, washing machines, dishwashers, TVs etc.

Don't they require wifi? This effort (and Amazon Sidewalk) are trying to bypass that.

Re: AWS Private 5G

#95
post #70

Probably worth noting that the regular cell providers can also provide SIMS that dump the end device into your existing, normal private network rather than the internet. I don't know how this service differs in pricing, so it's hard to quantify when this AWS service would be a better idea outside of coverage issues.

Dedicated base stations are the difference here. There's a huge need for private communication networks outside of urban areas where there is bad cell coverage – think oil fields, docks, industrial estates, ranches, war zones.

Re: AWS Private 5G

#96
post #24

Spectrum questions aside (which obviously one of the biggest one), could this enable running Helium 5G on AWS? -- Edit: I don't own any Helium, just curious from tech side what this new AWS service could offer. Not sure the downvotes are particularly about Helium or any crypto related discussion.

Probably not if the Helium 5G offering is similar to their LoRaWan stuff.

Due to some security issues with the Helium LoRaWAN proof-of-coverage, only authorized hotspots/access points are allowed to participate. Helium manages this by issuing keys or certificates (IDK which it is) via the Decentralized Wireless Alliance[0].

I think it's highly unlikely Amazon would deploy Helium enabled 5G radios.

[0] https://dewi.org/

Re: AWS Private 5G

#97
post #48

How does this compare to Helium 5G? https://www.helium.com/5G

It is similar concept but for AWS, you need to own your spectrum ($$$$).

Helium is a useless concept (in practice) that is now getting on the 5G trains for marketing purposes. Their IOT is super-low data rate for anything useful. It is good for people to thinker and speculate but no use for real life applications that demand actual throughput.

Re: AWS Private 5G

#98
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see a potential use of it from IoT devices. An eg. a tractor wants to communicate with a central server for commands.

I fear what this means in larger scale. All Amazon manufactured physical IoT and hardware could have sidechannel in the future to escape network isolation. They already have this "feature" which expands your home network for neighbor Amazon devices if they need Internet access. And default setting is "ON", not off. How many consumer is aware of that? https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Sidewalk/b/?node=21328123011

Why would you buy a consumer IoT product and not connect it to the internet? If you’re the kind of person who fears that, you’re probably not the person who uses something like Alexa and smart home stuff.

Re: AWS Private 5G

#99
post #4

What's the business case for a service like this? Is there anyone on HN that would order this for example?

They talk about it on their webpage, but I've heard this described as the ability to offer an SLA on a wireless network. This means that rather than using hard wired ethernet, company's can instead use a 5G network under their control and offer equivalent level of reliability.

Re: AWS Private 5G

#100
post #16

I'd love to set this up for my rural community. I've got a good connection but many people have no cell service, no dsl lines, no cable...literally nothing. Until something like starlink is ubiquitous i feel like this could go a long way to solving their problems.

I don't think this solves the last-mile problem. You still have to provide (get) internet connectivity; Amazon just relays that landline to 5G. And in rural areas, 5G probably doesn't give you enough range anyhow. Have you considered mesh revenue-share networks like Althea ( https://www.althea.net/ )? There's a nonprofit one too operating in several cities, but I can't remember what it's called.

My understanding is that 5g can operate at the same or similar frequencies as 4g, and actually then has slightly better range and throughout than 4g.
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