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Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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Post by kwertyoowiyop »

999900000999 wrote: post #34

LinkedIn is pretty good, however I really do hate the photos. The main reason we don't have photos on resumes in the West, is because it opens you up to discrimination. My physical appearance should have nothing to do with my hireabilty I also very much hate how people keep trying to turn it into Facebook. Stop it. Get your validation somewhere else. Now with that said, I've found almost all of my recent jobs via Lin…

LinkedIn as Facebook: OMG yes. I’d love to have a filter that removes all posts containing: proud, excited, thrilled, humbled, awesome. Also, anything related to politics on either side.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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Post by jstx1 »

bogwog wrote: post #58
jstx1 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're overestimating it. Recruiters usually use LinkedIn's tools to send automated messages to people based on some criteria (years of experience, current job title, location etc). They aren't sifting through profiles and judging people, least of all based on their profile pictures. And the way you look affects hiring anyway - at some point you'll have to talk to someone over video or in person.

> And the way you look affects hiring anyway - at some point you'll have to talk to someone over video or in person. The problem is that you probably won't get that far if an employer doesn't like the color of your skin, your gender, that you're in a wheelchair, etc. Your resume will probably go in the trash as soon as they see your photo. But if you can at least get into an interview, you have an opportunity to sell…

I really doubt that anyone's interviewing skills are so good that they can cure the interviewer's racism.

The problem itself is real of course, I just don't think that having or not having a profile picture will make any difference. And there's other factors too - do I need to hide my name so I don't give away that I'm from a foreign country or that I'm a woman?

I don't want to pretend that I have a solution for racism/sexism/etc. in hiring but I really don't think that tiptoeing around people's prejudices is the way to do it.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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Post by donkeyd »

brayhite wrote: post #59
donkeyd wrote: post #49

The short answer is: yes. Especially LinkedIn. The longer answer is somewhat unrelated. If you never really interviewed or applied after college, it's going to be crappy if you take all the resume/application/interview classes seriously. On the resume part, fill up your resume/LinkedIn profile. If you've done 'various QA and product roles' and 'project management to product management', make sure to write them all do…

Appreciate the thoughtful reply! Lots of what you said resonates and is what I've done, so I'm happy to see some of that validation. Having been on the interview end of things a handful of times, I 100% agree on the two-way street analogy. I've somewhat prided myself for at least trying to make interviews conversational, both because it seems to organically bring about more interesting (and relevant) parts about thei…

> I have little idea if that's the norm.

> style or resume and interviewing I gravitate towards.

If that's what you gravitate towards, to me that seems like an incredibly good benchmark for your cultural fit from your side.

> spinning negatives into positives and glowing up a job history, both conflicting

Don't confuse 'glowing up your job history' with lying about your experience though. Many people under sell their job history, because things you do every day become normal to you. So people often actually need to 'glow up' their job history in order to not under sell themselves.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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Post by bluedino »

chadash wrote: post #5

LinkedIn yes, Indeed no. Almost all recruiters (internal and external) are active on LinkedIn. It definitely doesn't hurt to have a good profile... people will reach out to you . Recruiters get a lot of scorn, but I've had good experiences with them as long as you understand their incentives. They usually get some percentage of your starting salary, so let's say they make 15k if your offer is 100k (making up these nu…

> but really, their incentive is to close as many deals as possible. Better to close two deals for 15k each then to drag out one deal for 18k.

Similar to how a Realtor doesn't really care to get you the highest offer for your house, or lowest price on the one you're buying.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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Post by ghaff »

jstx1 wrote: post #62
bogwog wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And the way you look affects hiring anyway - at some point you'll have to talk to someone over video or in person. The problem is that you probably won't get that far if an employer doesn't like the color of your skin, your gender, that you're in a wheelchair, etc. Your resume will probably go in the trash as soon as they see your photo. But if you can at least get into an interview, you have an opportunity to sell…

I really doubt that anyone's interviewing skills are so good that they can cure the interviewer's racism. The problem itself is real of course, I just don't think that having or not having a profile picture will make any difference. And there's other factors too - do I need to hide my name so I don't give away that I'm from a foreign country or that I'm a woman? I don't want to pretend that I have a solution for raci…

The same thing probably applies to ageism. Sure, you can tap dance around putting a lot of specific dates on your resume. But generally it's pretty obvious within a decade or so. And, if you really go whole hog and don't even put any durations, you probably don't want to look like you're maybe just out of school if you've just had a couple long duration jobs--and the company's application form will probably make you fill in dates anyway.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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Post by hef19898 »

999900000999 wrote: post #42
jstx1 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the photos, LinkedIn is a way to discover jobs/people/companies. You aren't submitting your photo when applying for a job.

When recruiters search for candidates they definitely see photos. Photos which should have absolutely nothing to with finding a job

That's an issue. I am so in favor of not providing a birthdate or picture in job applications. But then I like LinkedIn as recruiting tool, which has a picture and more often than not a birthdate... Not sure what to make of it.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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Post by tester34 »

999900000999 wrote: post #34

LinkedIn is pretty good, however I really do hate the photos. The main reason we don't have photos on resumes in the West, is because it opens you up to discrimination. My physical appearance should have nothing to do with my hireabilty I also very much hate how people keep trying to turn it into Facebook. Stop it. Get your validation somewhere else. Now with that said, I've found almost all of my recent jobs via Lin…

I will play devil for lulz:

>My physical appearance should have nothing to do with my hireabilty

but actually why?

you know - if you have two equally skilled people...

and one of them has tattoos on 90% of his/her body and your company works for banking industry, then is it pros or con?

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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Post by AlwaysRock »

Nextgrid wrote: post #20
5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say they mostly suck. Very slimy, unwilling to divulge basic information and will ghost you in a heartbeat.

From my experience there are 2 kinds of recruiters. Those most likely operating out of the same boiler rooms as tech support scammers who have pitch terrible roles and employ a spray & pray approach where it's just a spam campaign with very little effort on their side. Those are a waste of time, the roles are terrible and are pretty much never matched to your profile, and when you go through anyway the recruiter will…

The real two types of recruiters are experienced and inexperienced. Most recruiters have not made a successful placement. It's a sales job and many recruiting firms hire entry level. These are also the recruiters who send the most inmail spam because their "training" is learning on the job. The chances of interacting with a junior third party recruiter is very high.

A very small percentage of third party recruiters stay third party once they have a year or two of experience. If they are any good but don't love sales they go internal (recruiter for an actual company - less pay but far far less stress).

A tiny percentage of recruiters stay as third party recruiters and are actually good. They often built networks from their early inmail spam days when they did get lucky and place someone so they don't send as many inmails now.

You are almost always dealing with near entry level third party recruiters who are learning on the job. That is in large part why dealing with recruiters on average sucks.

This is never going to change but if you are looking for a new job or you are interested in a role a recruiter reaches out to you about you can absolutely ask to speak to a lead or a manager of their team instead of them.

"Hey I know the third party recruiting industry is tough. I am very interested in this position. Do you have a lead or a manager who I can speak with to learn more about this position and how to prepare for the interview?" That is how you get to the person who actually knows what they are doing. The immediate recruiter might make a stink but their manager likely wont. If you are actually a good fit for the job your chances of landing there do go up if they spend time to speak with you and help you prepare. They only get paid if you actually start there.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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Post by hwbehrens »

donkeyd wrote: post #49

The short answer is: yes. Especially LinkedIn. The longer answer is somewhat unrelated. If you never really interviewed or applied after college, it's going to be crappy if you take all the resume/application/interview classes seriously. On the resume part, fill up your resume/LinkedIn profile. If you've done 'various QA and product roles' and 'project management to product management', make sure to write them all do…

> On the resume part, fill up your resume/LinkedIn profile.

I've been told the opposite -- in the recruiter view on LinkedIn, they can only see your 3 most-recent positions, and they almost never expand the fold to see the rest. Thus, it's critical to curate those.

For example, let's say you previously worked at BigCorp, but left to pursue your startup idea (Startup A). In the meantime, you've consulted at another startup (Startup B), and you're working at SmallCorp to make the ends meet until your idea takes off.

You'd be better off listing StartupA, SmallCorp, and BigCorp (or StartupA, StartupB, and BigCorp) as compared with StartupA, StartupB, and SmallCorp, since only the most recent three jobs will be shown, and recruiters tend to more heavily weight BigCorp signals.

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