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Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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LinkedIn is pretty good, however I really do hate the photos. The main reason we don't have photos on resumes in the West, is because it opens you up to discrimination. My physical appearance should have nothing to do with my hireabilty I also very much hate how people keep trying to turn it into Facebook. Stop it. Get your validation somewhere else. Now with that said, I've found almost all of my recent jobs via Lin…

> I also very much hate how people keep trying to turn it into Facebook. Stop it. Get your validation somewhere else.

> It's the first place I go when I look for work. Recruiters will hit you up once you have at least a few years of experience.

I have the exact same experience. I try to ignore the news feed as much as possible because it became a Covid flame war. To me, it is no longer a 'Business oriented social network', I now use it as a glorified job board with resume profiles.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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post #39

LinkedIn is pretty good, however I really do hate the photos. The main reason we don't have photos on resumes in the West, is because it opens you up to discrimination. My physical appearance should have nothing to do with my hireabilty I also very much hate how people keep trying to turn it into Facebook. Stop it. Get your validation somewhere else. Now with that said, I've found almost all of my recent jobs via Lin…

On the photos, LinkedIn is a way to discover jobs/people/companies. You aren't submitting your photo when applying for a job.

When recruiters search for candidates they definitely see photos. Photos which should have absolutely nothing to with finding a job

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

#43

For ultraspecific, low cost of living Arkansas, this site may be helpful: https://artechjobs.com/ I prefer to walk in to a building and shake hands with CEO/CIO without prior invitation. This has landed me my last 2 (serious) jobs, both of which have been fantastic.

> I prefer to walk in to a building and shake hands with CEO/CIO without prior invitation.

Interesting to see how different people can be. I prefer to never meet or see a coworker in person or step foot in an office, which is why the pandemic has been the best time of my life. Even better if the company is so large I'll never meet the CEO or CIO.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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I actually just got out of a period where I was looking for a new job. 66% of the offers I got originated from a message I passively received from a recruiter in LinkedIn, including the offer I accepted.

So I would say using LinkedIn in this way seems to be working well: setting up your profile as well as you can, that should make it so you receive endless messages from recruiters. Then when you're looking for a job, just respond to the last messages you got.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

#46
LinkedIn I've found a bit of success with. Be careful with job sites though. I uploaded my resume on monster dot com and have gotten so much spam that it became difficult to pick out anything worth my time. I was contacted for job roles that were way above my experience level or even outside my field of work. I maybe got one call I even considered.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the photos, LinkedIn is a way to discover jobs/people/companies. You aren't submitting your photo when applying for a job.

When recruiters search for candidates they definitely see photos. Photos which should have absolutely nothing to with finding a job

I think you're overestimating it. Recruiters usually use LinkedIn's tools to send automated messages to people based on some criteria (years of experience, current job title, location etc). They aren't sifting through profiles and judging people, least of all based on their profile pictures. And the way you look affects hiring anyway - at some point you'll have to talk to someone over video or in person.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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LinkedIn is pretty good, however I really do hate the photos. The main reason we don't have photos on resumes in the West, is because it opens you up to discrimination. My physical appearance should have nothing to do with my hireabilty I also very much hate how people keep trying to turn it into Facebook. Stop it. Get your validation somewhere else. Now with that said, I've found almost all of my recent jobs via Lin…

>The main reason we don't have photos on resumes in the West

In the US, UK etc. yes, but in Germany and DACH region, employers still expect a photo in the traditional resume, especially for non-tech/skilled positions or in more traditional companies (Audi, BMW, etc.). Heard it's the same in southern Europe.

Still irks me that they haven't outlawed this yet.

But I don't think things would improve much if they did though, as if an employer wants to not hire you because of your race/gender/nationality etc, it can do it anyway in a later stage, with some cookie-cutter excuse, regardless of photo/no-photo in your resume.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

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The short answer is: yes. Especially LinkedIn.

The longer answer is somewhat unrelated. If you never really interviewed or applied after college, it's going to be crappy if you take all the resume/application/interview classes seriously.

On the resume part, fill up your resume/LinkedIn profile. If you've done 'various QA and product roles' and 'project management to product management', make sure to write them all down as separate experiences within the same company. With every experience, add a start and end date, doesn't matter if they overlap or if you don't know exactly, it doesn't matter. Also, add the technologies, skills and other relevant info per experience. This way, you show growth and broad knowledge.

On the application part, I have noticed that a warm entry is the best. E-mail a recruiter with a question about a role anything is fine. Their response will tell you a lot about the company. Sometimes they ask you to just send your resume and set up a call. These calls are a much better way to introduce yourself than a cover letter. Sometimes a cover letter is necessary though, if it is, at least write something honest. You can also just pick up the phone and call a recruiter, that also works sometimes.

On the interview part, my most important advice is that it's a two way street. Not just the interaction, that's what they teach you at school. It's a two way street in the fact that the company should also be somewhat trying to convince you to work there. Especially because you have skills that are sought after. So don't feel like you have to impress the company too much, be yourself, be honest (of you can't answer a question, say that, don't make something up) and think of it as a conversation, not an interview. That can really help with the nerves too.

Finally, don't get discouraged. There are many shitty HR departments, shitty manager, shitty companies and of course, shitty interviews. If that's the case, just realize it's them not you. You've dodged a bullet by seeing that and you can continue to the next interview. I once rejected an offer because the interview process gave me such a bad vibe, that I couldn't see myself working there. And beyond shitty interviews, sometimes you're just not a good fit for a roll or company and that's fine too.

Re: Ask HN: Are Indeed, LinkedIn the go-to places for exploring new jobs?

#50
I'm not really a developer and am very senior. I do get (mostly internal) recruiters reaching out to me via LinkedIn periodically in spite of having a fairly bare and unmaintained profile. (Which may be a good thing as it means I don't really turn up on any keyword searches by random recruiters.) They're occasionally interesting though I've never done anything beyond an initial get to know you call.

That said, as an experienced person with a large informal network, every job (only a few) since a long tenure one straight out of grad school has been through people I've known--in the majority of cases someone very senior at the company.

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