Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

blog.jetbrains.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

361–370 of 427 posts

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

#361

Post by IshKebab »

freedomben wrote: post #312
skocznymroczny wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With same languages? Whenever I stray away from C#/Java world, I am amazed how bad the IDE experience is for other languages, but that's because most other languages have features which don't play well with IDEs (dynamic typing, templates, macros, anything compile time).

I agree (even though it pains me to). I've thought about it a lot and I think it's because in the Java world, unlike most other worlds, the IDE is basically mandatory. I've worked in a few different java shops and the project was built around the IDE and required it.

I think you have it backwards. Java is actually very well designed in many ways, and that means that it's easy to make really good IDEs so they are popular.

In contrast it's really hard to make good C++ code intelligence features. For many many years Microsoft was the only one that had done it (as far as I know).

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

#362

Post by IshKebab »

jen20 wrote: post #347
skocznymroczny wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With same languages? Whenever I stray away from C#/Java world, I am amazed how bad the IDE experience is for other languages, but that's because most other languages have features which don't play well with IDEs (dynamic typing, templates, macros, anything compile time).

Auto import and code completion play nicely with IntelliJ for both Go and Rust IME.

Rust-analyzer has been improving massively in the last year or two and it's auto-import and code completion are pretty rock solid now IMO.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

#363

Post by wpietri »

jatone wrote: post #331
wpietri wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may not bring anything to the table for you. I would find it helpful if you phrased your criticisms in a way that didn't deny the possibility that others might find plenty of value.

perfectly happy how I've phrased my criticisms. if jetbrains wants glowing reviews, then they can make a glowing product. I've been upfront where my issues reside, how they impacted me and they are well known issues with the tool. I'm not the first to make these comments nor will I be the last. however, your tone in this thread implies you're not a neutral player in this. do you have any relation with intellij/jetbra…

I pay them money to use their IDE and have for some years. No other relationship.

I don't have any problem with you criticizing them. I have a problem with you stating your criticisms in ways that sound like it's more than just your experience.

For example, you wrote, "you need to muck around too much to get them working properly". This is not true. I don't need that. You apparently did need to do some mucking around that was too much for you.

Or you write, "JB makes tons of assumptions and attempts to be helpful in ways that just are not". Again, that might not be helpful for you. But it's very helpful to me. And clearly to lots and lots of other people given how popular their tooling is even though it costs actual money.

I think this sort of universalization and projection is unhelpful and ask that you not do it.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

#364

Post by jbenner-radham »

mmargerum wrote: post #182
digerata wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You hate Java but are okay with the DOM as an editor…

I have both. VSCode is noticeably faster. How do you know jetbrains new editor isn't a "Dom editor"? I kinda hope JB built it as a native editor and just uses a scripting language for plugins.

In the comments on the article someone from JetBrains said it was coded in Kotlin and Rust.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

#365

Post by nicce »

mananaysiempre wrote: post #359
nicce wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tools are also free for open-source development: https://www.jetbrains.com/opensource/ And for educational use (teachers) as well. So I don't see a reason to jump on the freemium bandwagon. They offer a lot for free already.

I wouldn’t call this “free for open-source development”. It’s free for open-source development as long as the developer receives no money . This would literally be stricter than Visual Studio Community except that last I checked the latter refused to work without an online account for more than a month. Needless to say, JetBrains are free to license and price their stuff however they want. But omitting this particula…

That is a good point. My perspective was too pessimitic as never having real money from OSS projects in general.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

#366

Post by dzhiurgis »

chkhd wrote: post #145

I just hope the remote development features will actually work adequately in this. They tried to get that stuff working with existing IDEs multiple times [0][1][2][3], but they are all broken in their unique ways. Whenever I see them announce something new in the remote development space I always jump in right away and try it out, discover it is broken too, and then go back to using VS Code remote dev features. For l…

Wish they offered complete package - remote machines, deploy pipelines, actual compute, all enveloped with best practices.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

#367

Post by [deleted] »

BozeWolf wrote: post #308
fivea wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even though I wouldn't classify it as "awful", I do agree with the sentiment. Whenever I use Clion, I feel I need to have vscode also on the same project to mitigate the shortcomings of it's code completion and even search. Clion's support for CMake is particularly enfuriating, with it's propensity to actively replate a target's name with filenames, even if they do not match in caps, which makes absolutely no sense a…

Counter argument, I tried c/cpp/cmake development in vscode, but got so fed up with breaking plugins. Configuring… fixing new config options for plugins… Or spell checkersuggesting to rename functions i call… or duplicate shortcuts from plugins… That I bought clion and got stuff up and running for the biggest part in minutes. I am a looong time pycharm user though. Cmake integration is great for my projects. Embedded…

[deleted]

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

#368

Post by fivea »

nvarsj wrote: post #298
fivea wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even though I wouldn't classify it as "awful", I do agree with the sentiment. Whenever I use Clion, I feel I need to have vscode also on the same project to mitigate the shortcomings of it's code completion and even search. Clion's support for CMake is particularly enfuriating, with it's propensity to actively replate a target's name with filenames, even if they do not match in caps, which makes absolutely no sense a…

Have you tried a C/C++ lsp server like https://github.com/MaskRay/ccls ? Works with vscode/whatever you want, and just targets your Makefile (using bear to generate the dependency graph).

> Have you tried a C/C++ lsp server like https://github.com/MaskRay/ccls?

I never tried it and to me that's not acceptable or desirable. I want an IDE/text editor that works, and not adopt yet another tool that needs maintenance and configuration and attention.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

#369

Post by jatone »

avl999 wrote: post #360
jatone wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no I want my IDE to be functional without destroying my system performance or fucking up my codebase. jet brains is a massive offender here. it doesn't need to be. I have a giant machine ~128GB of RAM and 24 cores. the fact I have to tune my IDE is insane. the not helpful issues with jetbrains are when it crashes, slows down my system, prevents me from modifying files because reasons, modifies my build configurations…

> jet brains is a massive offender here. it doesn't need to be. I have a giant machine ~128GB of RAM and 24 cores. the fact I have to tune my IDE is insane. You are doing something very wrong if that's the case. I have 2 big projects open in my IDE (GoLand), it has not been closed since Nov 16 and as I type this it is using ~3.8 GB of RAM and ~3% CPU on my work 2019 Mac Book My personal travel laptop is ~2014 era thi…

it was android studio stuff at the time. I just tapped out of using it jetbrains related tooling after that experience.

the point I was making is that it wasn't an under powered machine that causing issues as implied by the responder.

sadly the issues I was having at the time were not just me all of them were documented / reported in the github issue tracker for flutter/android studio.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

#370

Post by Diesel555 »

lukewrites wrote: post #319
Diesel555 wrote: post #236

I keep seeing discussions on a full IDE vs an editor like VSCode. People are claiming VSCode is poor with autocompletions and other features only a full IDE can accomplish. I use Pycharm, Webstorm, and VSCode and I don’t see the huge difference. Is it more apparent on certain languages? They stated in their blog https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2020/09/a-picture-of-java-in... > In the web space it is understandable to…

For my job I spend a lot of time working on a python package that uses threads. I’ve found that pycharm’s debugging tools are much better than vscode’s when it comes to threads. Also, auto imports are possible while I don’t think I’m able to do that in VScode. If someone can tell me how to set up VSCode to do this better, I would love to know. However I also need to be able to support other engineers who typically do…

What do you mean by auto imports? If you type a function, type, or other token in VS Code that is not part of the scope, but exists in the environment, it will suggest and complete an import for you. At least for Typescript.
Post reply on HN