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Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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I have seen stories of smart TVs doing active scans for any unsecured wifi network in range, then connecting and phoning home without ever informing the user or showing anything in the menus. Is that a real thing?

How would the TV phone home if it's not connected to the internet?

Like the parent comment says: scan for some open Wi-Fi in range and connect. If that provides Internet access, it's good to go.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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"doing active scans for any unsecured wifi network in range"

This doesn’t seem like a practical thing for manufacturers to implement. How common are such networks in actuality? Literally the only time I ever encountered unsecured Wi-Fi networks in the past several years were guest networks, and all of those were gated by a capture portal that would have blocked any sort of attempt at telemetry or ad serving.

> doesn’t seem like a practical thing for manufacturers to implement.

In terms of what, lines of code? Engineer days?

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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All TV's are dumb tv's if you only use them as an external display/monitor and don't connect them to the net. I have a dedicated computer for a media center and just use HDMI1 input on the TV. Never enter menus. Never update the OS. Never agree to anything. Never let the TV "phone home." Never set up wifi. Never connect a CAT5 to it. Set the input using the remote and forget it. Treat it as a dumb monitor. Computer i…

That's sadly not really true. I have an LG that I (thought) I was using this way until one day in the middle of watching some TV I get a prompt about a OnePlus phone trying to control my TV, do I want to accept? Needless to say and didn't, but I was baffled by what happened. Turns out that the stupid TV is controllable via an app over bluetooth, and there is no way to turn bluetooth off. I'm just stuck with my TV con…

For anyone with LG TVs, iirc there’s a project called OpenLGTV which is working to reverse engineer LG software. Maybe it could help disable some of these “smart” features?

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Also, HDMI cables support ethernet connections. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#HEC

Sadly - there's basically no hardware support for this. Dead in the water.

That's what large TV manufacturers want you to believe ;)

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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4K OLED monitors are insanely expensive. You can get an LG 65" OLED TV for $1,800. The OLED computer monitors I have seen start at $4,000.

A Gigabyte FO48U (48" OLED, same LG panel as the C1) goes for around $1500

83% of the price for 54% of the area.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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All TV's are dumb tv's if you only use them as an external display/monitor and don't connect them to the net. I have a dedicated computer for a media center and just use HDMI1 input on the TV. Never enter menus. Never update the OS. Never agree to anything. Never let the TV "phone home." Never set up wifi. Never connect a CAT5 to it. Set the input using the remote and forget it. Treat it as a dumb monitor. Computer i…

What’s stopping the TV from taking OTA updates through data sub-channels on TV channels? Satellite receivers have had this type of capability for a few decades.

That's something that seems like would be feasible in a more monolithic world of broadcasting, and smaller firmwares. They could probably simply broadcast various firmwares at different times; then if the TV detected "hey, that is for me", it could capture the packets.

It's hard to imagine streaming services like YouTube, NetFlix and whoever agreeing to do anything of that sort.

Indeed, my guess is right about this seems to be in the right ballpark:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_and_object_carousel

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Digital Signage. https://www.sharpnecdisplays.us/products/displays#1 https://www.samsung.com/us/business/displays/ https://www.lg.com/us/business/digital-signage

Even digital signage is becoming increasingly "smart", although perhaps not in a way that HN would object to. Most of them these days have the ability to display videos and stills from attached storage devices, or stream content from a network address.
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