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Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by jatone »

wpietri wrote: post #328
jatone wrote: post #323

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while I appreciate the offer; there is nothing to dig into here. jetbrains just doesn't bring anything to the table compared to other options. and it lost my trust on reliability in a massive way due to android studio and never really performing well at its core function, writing software, compared to things like sublime, vscode, even vim/emacs; once configured. and if I'm going to pay for something like an IDE it ne…

It may not bring anything to the table for you. I would find it helpful if you phrased your criticisms in a way that didn't deny the possibility that others might find plenty of value.

perfectly happy how I've phrased my criticisms. if jetbrains wants glowing reviews, then they can make a glowing product. I've been upfront where my issues reside, how they impacted me and they are well known issues with the tool. I'm not the first to make these comments nor will I be the last.

however, your tone in this thread implies you're not a neutral player in this. do you have any relation with intellij/jetbrains?

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by thrower123 »

pjmlp wrote: post #173
simion314 wrote: post #163

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They managed to sell in the past a C# plugin for Visual Studio, so people paid money on Visual Studio and this company convinced them to pay more and buy a plugin for a Microsoft language and a Microsoft IDE, people paid because it is a great product (for their projects). IMO they for sure can improve on VS Code, I bet they could sell you plugins better then MS can create and I think this is because when you are clos…

When teammates ask me why my VS setup feels so fast compared with theirs, my answer is quite simple, I don't use resharper.

A world where ReSharper hadn't existed would have the same old craptastic minimal refactoring tools that VS 2013 had. I'm glad JetBrains is pushing Microsoft to improve

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by abeppu »

dagmx wrote: post #283
abeppu wrote: post #280

Side question: One thing they highlight is that this supports live collaboration, including simultaneously working on the same files. Can anyone describe a productive way of working where that's helpful and not confusing? When would you choose to work that way rather than e.g. pair programming with a single IDE or splitting up work in different branches? Shared editing of a document seems mostly fine but occasionally…

I think your example of pair programming is where it's useful (and what they highlight in their current integration in their existing products) The idea being (no pun intended) that you can do remote pair programming

I guess, my assumption is that for pair programming only one person ought to be actually writing code at a time, you should be looking at the same files at the same time, and you likely want to have some live voice and/or video channel open to discuss what you're doing, etc. So, I kinda think that as janky as it feels, screen share of a normal IDE over zoom ends up being a less disjointed experience than zoom + "collaborative" IDE where you might each be looking at different files or different parts of files.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by vips7L »

quanticle wrote: post #54
atraac wrote: post #48

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> If they did that, then why would anyone buy IntelliJ? I think the general idea is that it's a lightweight editor(like vscode) that stays lightweight with as many features as it can from IntelliJ. If you work on decently sized project you'll still want to use full IDE. If you want to force yourself to work on a big project with vscode, nothing is stopping you. But would you realistically switch from IntelliJ to vsco…

>But would you realistically switch from IntelliJ to vscode? No, of course not. VSCode's support for Java is a hot mess, and that doesn't look to be changing any time soon. But would I switch from PyCharm to VSCode? I made that exact switch at work a little while ago and I haven't looked back.

How is VS Codes support for Java a hot mess? For the most part as long as you use maven or gradle it works perfectly fine.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by kaba0 »

torginus wrote: post #279
fivea wrote: post #239

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Even though I wouldn't classify it as "awful", I do agree with the sentiment. Whenever I use Clion, I feel I need to have vscode also on the same project to mitigate the shortcomings of it's code completion and even search. Clion's support for CMake is particularly enfuriating, with it's propensity to actively replate a target's name with filenames, even if they do not match in caps, which makes absolutely no sense a…

I have a bit of an off-topic question for you: I'm developing a single app for Windows in 3 languages: C#, C++, and Typescript using Visual Studio and I get excellent autocomplete/integration support. However I'm looking towards porting it to Linux, and I'm looking at some other IDE. Is there something that can handle building/debugging/autocomplete for these 3 that's not VS?

Perhaps also intellij with the language specific plugins? Separately, all these languages work fine. What’s the build tool?

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by zackangelo »

bearjaws wrote: post #186
wokwokwok wrote: post #10

There’s a real opportunity here for JB. If they’re prepared to give this away for free, and make money off of upselling folk on hosted remote dev envs (or licensing the server side to cloud providers) then this could actually compete with vscode. They basically don’t have any other product that is competitive with vscode. …but, I’m skeptical they’re willing to make the jump to freemium based on their other SAS produc…

I love VS code, but insisting that its parsing is even nearly as good as anything from Jetbrains is laughable. Working with Rust in VS code is no where near as good as IntelliJ for example, and their Javascript `intellisense` is best in class.

Have you tried using rust-analyzer with VS Code? I find it to be a little rough around the edges but mostly pretty great. I used the Rust plugin for IntelliJ a couple of years ago and remembered being disappointed.

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Post by GrayShade »

aldanor wrote: post #231
bearjaws wrote: post #186

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I love VS code, but insisting that its parsing is even nearly as good as anything from Jetbrains is laughable. Working with Rust in VS code is no where near as good as IntelliJ for example, and their Javascript `intellisense` is best in class.

Agreed. Working with rust in e.g. CLion (or even the free PyCharm CE with Rust plug-in) beats vscode by a large margin, it's nowhere near comparable, especially when working with larger projects often requiring major refactoring etc.

Which Rust language server did you use?

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by GrayShade »

bearjaws wrote: post #186
wokwokwok wrote: post #10

There’s a real opportunity here for JB. If they’re prepared to give this away for free, and make money off of upselling folk on hosted remote dev envs (or licensing the server side to cloud providers) then this could actually compete with vscode. They basically don’t have any other product that is competitive with vscode. …but, I’m skeptical they’re willing to make the jump to freemium based on their other SAS produc…

I love VS code, but insisting that its parsing is even nearly as good as anything from Jetbrains is laughable. Working with Rust in VS code is no where near as good as IntelliJ for example, and their Javascript `intellisense` is best in class.

Which Rust language server did you use in Code?

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by nsonha »

kaba0 wrote: post #200
mmargerum wrote: post #182

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I have both. VSCode is noticeably faster. How do you know jetbrains new editor isn't a "Dom editor"? I kinda hope JB built it as a native editor and just uses a scripting language for plugins.

Because VSCode is a fancy text editor, not a full-blown IDE like intellij. Even with myriads of extensions, the gap is real between the two.

> How do you know jetbrains new editor isn't a "Dom editor"?

> Because VSCode is a fancy text editor, not a full-blown IDE.

What does that have anything to respond to the question?

I kept seeing people making this claim as if there is a definition of what an IDE is. VSC has project-wide code anyalysis and step debug. It may not be a good IDE in YOUR opinion but tell me what definition of IDE are you using?

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by kaba0 »

jatone wrote: post #297
wpietri wrote: post #278

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Yeah, if you just want a text editor and not an IDE, you probably shouldn't be using an IDE. Those things that are "just not" helpful to you are very helpful to others. Personally, I very much want an actual IDE for a lot of my work. So I'm happy to buy a fast machine with plenty of RAM and then give the IDE a good chunk of it. But I'm glad they're making Fleet for folks with other preferences, and I'm sure I'll be u…

no I want my IDE to be functional without destroying my system performance or fucking up my codebase. jet brains is a massive offender here. it doesn't need to be. I have a giant machine ~128GB of RAM and 24 cores. the fact I have to tune my IDE is insane. the not helpful issues with jetbrains are when it crashes, slows down my system, prevents me from modifying files because reasons, modifies my build configurations…

I think the basic intellij config is set at max 2 gigs of RAM, so it doesn’t really matter how many you have unless you change that.

I really don’t know how did you manage to crash it, even with misbehaving plugins it will manage the situation gracefully (usually with a notification that this plugin had an exception) but will continue to run perfectly. Modifying files due to locking sounds like a Windows issue, and has nothing to do with intellij.

I really don’t know what have you configured for all these things to happen — what language was that project written in?

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