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The origins of ‘horn ok please,’ India’s most ubiquitous phrase (2016)

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Re: The origins of ‘horn ok please,’ India’s most ubiquitous phrase (2016)

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No where in the article do they even try to ask the people who own or paint these words on the vehicles? Speculation throughout and not a shred of input from any of the people actually involved (Drivers, Lettering painters, police..). Conclusion: none! We don't know and didn't ask either. Really weird article.

Especially considering the title is "the origins of...". Should probably instead be "the unknown origins of".

Re: The origins of ‘horn ok please,’ India’s most ubiquitous phrase (2016)

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Flashing the high-beams to warn of police is a thing in the US also, although you can get ticketed for it. (Apparently this has been successfully challenged in court as free speech though lol https://www.myimprov.com/flashing-headlights-in-florida-prot... )

Most people these days drive with their LED high beams on all the time.

I see the opposite problem more often (Bay Area): cars with always-on daytime running lights that don’t turn on their headlights (and the corresponding taillights) at night. I flash my lights at them but this rarely seems to help.

Re: The origins of ‘horn ok please,’ India’s most ubiquitous phrase (2016)

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I can confirm all of it for Germany as well (except the Italian serpentine road synchronization hack). I flash lights for oncoming traffics because of danger or police checks. I flash warning lights (or raise right hand) for thank you. Others do as well (especially buses, when you let them out of the bus stop, since in Germany they don't have the right of passage leaving a bus stop) I learned that truck drivers (and…

> I flash lights for oncoming traffics because of danger or /police checks/. Why? Do you want dangerous drivers on the roads?

Attitudes like yours are what embolden governments to engage in revenue enforcement the proliferation of which leads to people tipping each other off about said revenue enforcement (e.g. flashing their lights to warn of speed traps). People wouldn't be warning each other about the cops if "people the cops shake down" and "people who were doing dangerous things just prior to being shook down" had more overlap.

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I don't understand how a car with detectors that dim mirrors can't also turn your high beams off when they detect another car in front of you. Easily 5/8ths or more of every vehicle I pass at night has their high beams on, and in areas without fog lines it gets old in a hurry - and dangerous.

This feature is present in at least a couple of Toyota’s newer models that I’ve had the chance to drive (specifically a Prius Prime and RAV4 Prime).

Ford Edge (US market) has this too when in 'automatic' mode for the lights. It seems to work reasonably well though it sometimes lags a bit so other drivers probably find it somewhat annoying.

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Most of them don’t speak English either — this is merely something that has to go on your lorry.

Not speaking English, doesn't imply they don't understand English words or phrases that have gotten into what languages they do speak.

Why I mean is you can’t ask them “why is OK in the middle of the phrase” because the answer is “that’s how it goes”.

No different from asking an English speaker how some foreign loan word entered their usage or why, say, only the accusative. “Agenda” is singular in English and if you asked a random person on the street why they would shrug.

Re: The origins of ‘horn ok please,’ India’s most ubiquitous phrase (2016)

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Most people these days drive with their LED high beams on all the time.

I see the opposite problem more often (Bay Area): cars with always-on daytime running lights that don’t turn on their headlights (and the corresponding taillights) at night. I flash my lights at them but this rarely seems to help.

This is a huge problem here in Michigan, too. Many cars come with automatic headlights, but many do not, particularly of a certain age, and the LED DRLs seem to be bright enough that people do not realize that they don't have their full lights on. I find this particularly infuriating in ugly snowstorms and the part of the year where the sun sets before 5:00pm... sigh

Re: The origins of ‘horn ok please,’ India’s most ubiquitous phrase (2016)

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A reminder that pretty much no lorry driver in india knows English. Vehicles here have inane phrases like this and it’s for the most part almost protocol to paint them when you get a vehicle of that class. The guy who paints Lorry backs with the company name probably asks “you want the horn ok please phrase right” and the drivers probably like yeah whatever. Not like the drivers here expect courtesy from anyone aroun…

> A reminder that pretty much no lorry driver in india knows English. It would be rare to find a lorry driver who can converse in English but most of them would know the words "Horn, OK, Please". Thye aren't obscure words and phone/smartphone is widespread in India with mostly latin script interface. So, while I agree that it has become kind of a protocol/decoration, drivers while knowing the meaning, wouldn't care m…

I think the car stealing example was referring to the in-game behavior in GTA online. You expect car theft in GTA the same way you expect unsafe overtaking when driving in India.

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IIRC English - Indian English, not British or American - is the second language of the most people in India. Otherwise, they have so many local languages they would be mutually incomprehensible. But everyone learns English, and so they can talk and do business.

>IIRC English - Indian English, not British or American - is the second language of the most people in India It isn't. According to 2011 census, 11% people in India can speak English (I suspect that the actual number is much lower). Hindi on the other hand is spoken by 57%. English is the language of elitism in India.

I think the important idea is that with the British gone English is a neutral language not owned by any one group within India

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Most people these days drive with their LED high beams on all the time.

I see the opposite problem more often (Bay Area): cars with always-on daytime running lights that don’t turn on their headlights (and the corresponding taillights) at night. I flash my lights at them but this rarely seems to help.

Cars have too many features.

And I don't mean this in a, "I'm a luddite and wish cars were simple" type of way. I seriously think the number of controls on a vehicle (and burden of the owners manual) is so great that it is causing safety issues.

My car has more controls for the lights alone than my first vehicle had for everything. Literally.

"Automatic" features like headlights were supposed to make us safer, but I think that is backfiring as it is causing cognitive overload and making people complacent.

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IIRC English - Indian English, not British or American - is the second language of the most people in India. Otherwise, they have so many local languages they would be mutually incomprehensible. But everyone learns English, and so they can talk and do business.

I had two Indian co-workers once, and we got into talking about languages. I was a bit surprised at the time to find out that the only language they shared in common was English. One spoke English, Tamil, and a regional dialect, and the other spoke English, Hindi, and a (different) regional dialect. I later came to find that this is actually quite common in India. And I understand English is still widely taught there…

To add: the Dravidian languages of South India (Malayalam, Telugu, Tamil, etc) have no common ancestor with the Indic/Indo-Aryan languages of the North (Hindi, Gujurati, Punjabi, etc) which are part of the Indo-European family. So while they may have some loanwords across them, the grammar and the majority of the vocabulary is totally foreign.
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