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Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by Maxence »

rezonant wrote: post #58
kortilla wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bypassing the ads is hurting mainly content creators, not Google... No, it hurts Google too. Google isn’t some benevolent actor operating youtube at a loss. It’s a cash cow now.

It hurts both. If people support the YT creators they watch on Patreon or in some other way, that's fantastic. But you should support them in some way if you watch and appreciate their content.

I do it, but the point is most of the people don't, they simply watch YouTube.

I'm also a content creator myself, guess what, most of my revenues come form ads, not Patreon.

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by kergonath »

rezonant wrote: post #29
defaultname wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Picture in picture works just fine on Windows and Android without a YouTube Premium account. Is this something specific to iPhone? Google decided that in YouTube for iOS the feature would be premium only, at least for now. Maybe they feel iOS users are more easily monetized. Who knows. It most certainly isn't a limitation of the platform. > stripping out the ads is dangerously close to "I just want this for free, s…

Yeah I just want to suss out that picture in picture is indeed working just fine for iOS users as it is documented as working by Apple. Do other sites activate PiP reliably? Note that PiP on mobile has always required (stupidly so) that you be in full screen mode prior to activating it. In my own experience, making picture in picture trigger on iOS on my own video apps seems to be fleeting. Can someone on iOS check i…

> Yeah I just want to suss out that picture in picture is indeed working just fine for iOS users as it is documented as working by Apple.

It does not. I just re-tried (iPhone XR on the latest version of iOS). If I jump out of Safari I get the PiP video for about half a second and it disappears. It works great with Vinegar, as advertised. Websites that use the standard video tag work as they should as well, from what I have seen.

> I don't use iOS, if you say YouTube is treating it differently than Android and blocking said feature, that sucks and they should change that for sure.

Indeed. And in the meantime I will work around them. And if they block it, I’ll just YouTube-dl stuff ahead of time. And keep laughing when Google devs whine about Safari not supporting Chrome’s HTML extension du jour.

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by LeoPanthera »

rolleiflex wrote: post #49
dmart wrote: post #12

Installed this and it's great. That said, it's embarrassing how many iOS extensions I have installed just to work around today's shitty websites. AdGuard to make the web usable, AMPlosion to avoid AMP nonsense, Open in Apollo to avoid mobile Reddit dark pattens, now this (which I installed because YouTube's new embed widget starts playing on touch-start instead of touch-release, so it triggers while scrolling...)

Also bought it and works great. Minor caveat is that it seems to be unable to get a 4K stream, so it’s capped to 1080p. Likely this is a YouTube limitation though.

This is probably because YouTube exclusively uses VP9 for 4K streams, instead of HEVC.

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by can16358p »

mcpherrinm wrote: post #52
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t necessarily think ad funded content is bad. But YouTube seems to do it the worst. 2 ads at the start, sometimes they can’t be skipped. Ads in between at weird places. Now there are 2 ads at the end too. Spotify is ok. Ads. Bunch of uninterrupted songs. Ads. Like radio. Many Anime streaming services are similar. Ads bookend the content. YouTube could have spent time curating good content and building a platfor…

Would you consider paying for YouTube and Spotify instead? Both are available ad-free.

I can easily afford that but I never want to pay a single penny to Google/Alphabet Inc. More of an ideological thing than economical, probably many have different reasons here instead of not being able to afford it.

Also, "then don't use" is not an option either as almost all the content out there is uploaded to YouTube, so it isn't like same content is available on Vimeo/Facebook etc.

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by kergonath »

meemo wrote: post #27

Bought it and it looks greater. However, I am wary due to the permissions where the extension "can read sensitive information." I understand that there's probably no way around this, but still.

Yeah, that’s unfortunate that we have to trust developers to that extent. OTOH, it is true that they could get a lot of information once we give them the right to inject some JavaScript in every webpage we load. Personally, I have enabled it only on YouTube so they should not be able to touch the rest.

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by rand0mx1 »

ronjouch wrote: post #3

Does anyone know about an equivalent extension for Firefox / Chrome?

install ublock origin and put following filters

||youtube.com^$3p,frame,redirect=click2load.html

||youtube-nocookie.com^$3p,frame,redirect=click2load.html

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by klodolph »

vehemenz wrote: post #25
Orphis wrote: post #6

So they are charging people to remove ads so that the content creator doesn't get any ad revenue from their views? So ethical.

People have different views about ethics. Fortunately, there is no truth of the matter, so anything goes as long as we're internally consistent. I think ad revenue models are unethical. Promotion of extremist content is unethical. Privacy-invading data collection is unethical. Honestly, I think shitty content, in general, is unethical too. On the other hand, I think it is ethical for an entrepreneuring developer to c…

> Fortunately, there is no truth of the matter, so anything goes as long as we're internally consistent.

I don't think that what you said is internally consistent. Now, we may disagree about exactly what you mean, but it sounds like you are putting forth some form of moral relativism, which has appeared in various forms over the millennia. Many ways of phrasing moral relativism have logical inconsistencies in them.

I think the "anything goes as long as we're internally consistent" is a statement that any ethical system, E, is correct if and only if E is internally consistent.

And "there is no truth of the matter" is saying that "no ethical statement is true in all systems of ethics".

Now, is the "anything goes" statement an ethical statement? Is it true in all systems of ethics? If both, then this is a contradiction. If it is not an ethical statement, then what does "anything goes" even mean? If it is not true in all systems of ethics, then how can you defend it without begging the question? I'm not trying to enumerate all the possibilities, but just illustrate my skepticism... I don't see an easy way out here. It's not impossible, just really quite tricky, and if you value being internally consistent, maybe you should dig deeper.

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by dncornholio »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #41
lelandfe wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you feel ad-supported content is flat out unethical, how would you prefer to pay for media online?

I don’t necessarily think ad funded content is bad. But YouTube seems to do it the worst. 2 ads at the start, sometimes they can’t be skipped. Ads in between at weird places. Now there are 2 ads at the end too. Spotify is ok. Ads. Bunch of uninterrupted songs. Ads. Like radio. Many Anime streaming services are similar. Ads bookend the content. YouTube could have spent time curating good content and building a platfor…

You know the content creators themselves can decide where they want to have ads? Also Youtube has even skippable ads, Spotify doesn't, but somehow Spotify does it better?

Your points are highly subjective dear sir.

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by getcrunk »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #30
sodality2 wrote: post #10

So what is this, replacing it with an invidious-hosted embed?

I bought it. Here's the actual code it injected for a video: https://pastebin.com/fue6KWME

How do you think they got that source url?

Re: Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds with HTML5 video tags

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Post by getcrunk »

makeworld wrote: post #11
sodality2 wrote: post #10

So what is this, replacing it with an invidious-hosted embed?

Probably it's resolving the direct video (and/or audio) links and setting those as the source in the video tag. Like using the -g option for yt-dlp.

Could u explain how that works or what to do?
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