Update on Omicron

Post by chrisjs95 » Mon, Nov 29, 2021, 12:01 AM UTC

soared wrote: post #99

john_moscow wrote: post #31

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You can always follow the money to see who benefits from a decision, and who gets penalized. The initial lockdowns penalized many small businesses (small shops, hairdressers) that could not operate and benefited large online retailers and chains like Walmart that were declared exempt, that got extra business. The lockdowns also justified large-scale payout of benefits, that were funded by increasing the money supply.…

So you’re just ignoring the countless lives saved and lost?

Post by reglkjlkjaegr » Mon, Nov 29, 2021, 12:03 AM UTC

afavour wrote: post #294

dahfizz wrote: post #98

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Usually when people say "the media", they mean the mainstream liberal leaning news companies like CNN[1] or New York Times[2]. When talking about Fox (conservative media), people usually just say that. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/28/world/coronavirus-omicron-var... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/28/us/governors-omicron-covi...

You’re kind of proving the point here, the media does not only exist in some “conservative vs not conservative” binary. CNN is a cable news network, NYT is a subscription based newspaper. Their output differs accordingly.

Post by petesergeant » Mon, Nov 29, 2021, 12:04 AM UTC

throwaway894345 wrote: post #283

xg15 wrote: post #178

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I mean, there are Zero Covid strategies that work, see China or New Zealand. The problem is just that those measures are so drastic that many countries would probably not accept them. The goal in western countries is to get to the "endemic phase" of the infection - i.e. "live with the virus". That's all well and good, unfortunately this requires the disease to become significantly less deadly than it still is. We're…

The first and most important step in the New Zealand strategy is “be an island”. You need a lot of draconianism to make up for land borders.

Post by sol_invictus » Mon, Nov 29, 2021, 12:05 AM UTC

hx2a wrote: post #296

aetherspawn wrote: post #154

Ok, my 2 cents. This happened because there isn’t enough vaccines in third world countries. They can’t afford them. The moral of the story? It doesn’t matter if you 100% vaccinate your western country. We’re all in this together. When COVID spreads in Africa and makes a new strain, it may as well be on your own doorstep. The world needs to step up and distribute vaccines to every corner of the globe, for FREE, or we’…

> The only way you’ll stop this thing from mutating into a variant not covered by the vaccine is by eradicating it everywhere, simultaneously. Even if it were possible and achievable to vaccinate all humans, we'd still have a problem because COVID has spread to other mammal species. There's no reasonable plan that I know of to vaccinate animals in the wild. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/11/10/1054224…

Post by julianz » Mon, Nov 29, 2021, 12:06 AM UTC

mattrighetti wrote: post #225

xg15 wrote: post #178

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I mean, there are Zero Covid strategies that work, see China or New Zealand. The problem is just that those measures are so drastic that many countries would probably not accept them. The goal in western countries is to get to the "endemic phase" of the infection - i.e. "live with the virus". That's all well and good, unfortunately this requires the disease to become significantly less deadly than it still is. We're…

New Zealand seems to have abandoned that Zero Covid approach [0] > Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern acknowledged an end to the elimination strategy seven weeks into a lockdown that has failed to halt an outbreak of the Delta variant, announcing that restrictions would be gradually lifted in Auckland, the country’s largest city. > “We’re transitioning from our current strategy into a new way of doing things,” Ms. Ardern…