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Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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Exactly. I used yo be a total Internet freedom proponent and that's what I want for myself but now as everybody (of whom the majority is mentally unprepared) is on Facebook I admit it makes no sense - Internet kindergartens have to be there for the people who need them (and most of these people just naturally go to places like Facebook and Instagram).

The problem with this is that the mass of clueless kindergarten attendants are fed a steady diet of complete nonsense by curated and cultivated media outlets pushing very specific self serving narratives, which these obedient clueless drones in massive hordes then go out into the world and behave politically and economically exactly as those who treated them like the wind-up toy soldiers they actually are intended. A…

> defending but promoting concentration camps

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_immigration_detenti... ? I agree, that's a terrible piece of policy.

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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> But 0.9 bar isn't equal to 1. Oh! I see what you did there! This is a foundational problem in our anthropogenic decimal system of math (which we only use because of the evolutionary accident of a modal (n.b.: not average) human happening to have ten fingers); the whole issue doesn't even exist in the only correct representation of numbers, ternary (base-3). For example, let's multiply 1 / 3 * 3: In decimal `1.0 / 3…

In a ternary system, wouldn't 1.222... equal 2?

The last paragraph indicates the whole comment is in jest.

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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Wow, there's a lot of incorrect info in that comment! Which free to air TV channels are left leaning? Wasn't it the federal government that introduced the recent draconian surveillance laws? Wasn't it Peter Dutton who famously inflamed racial tension in Melbourne by blaming "African gang violence"? I think you may have consumed a little too much of that Murdoch press!

ABS and SBS are far, far left wing. Channel 7,9,and 10 are centrist, but 7 leans left, 9 leans right. 10 is interesting because it currently has one of the most left wing shows on TV (The Project) but also used to have one of the most right-wing shows (The Bolt Report), so I guess I'll put them in the center to be fair.

Channel 7 regularly act as the platform for Pauline Hanson to spit her dross. That ain't left leaning by a long shot. Also, despite your perception, the ABC have to undertake annual audits for political bias. This is part of being a state funded broadcaster. I suggest that you read those reports.

EDIT: Channel 9 is chaired by Peter Costello. Channel 7 is chaired by Kerry Stokes. The ABC is chaired by Ita Buttrose. All three of these people have much closer ties to the political right than the political left.

A pretty good summary of the current state of affairs can be seen at https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/t...

EDIT 2: More links:

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Depart...

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/abc-news-australia/

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

#104
This is sort of off topic.

>users who post defamatory comments

Wouldn't that be more like Twitter Mob. Does the word "Troll" means something different in Australia, or is it the headline written by Reuter using the word "Troll" differently to what I understand, or does "Troll" means something differently in the US given Reuter is an US media. Just what is "Trolls"?

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

#105
Sorry again world. Everyone should also consider that our current PM in Australia is going into a terminal death spiral with his government. I wouldn't expect this to get out through parliament too quick if at all.

It's best seen through a lens of a lazy right wing government that's been out led by every state leader for the last two years. They are just looking for a good headline.

If it does get legislated, then I REALLY hope that social media companies just abandon Australia and lock us out. It may just be the best unintended consequence ever.

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

#106

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I am also an Australian citizen although I have not lived there for many years now and after seeing what became of it during covid I intend to renounce it as soon as it is practical and I certainly never intend to return. With regards to the cover story, you do understand that in many previous deployments of military roundups and concentration camps, they were not accompanied by announcements of "we are the evil empi…

To get to the truth of the matter, we will need to agree on what's actually happening. The phrase "concentration camp" provokes imagery of Nazi Germany, with overtones of the most egregious human rights violations. What happened, in actuality, is that the Howard Springs mining camp was repurposed for quarantine. People have opted to go there instead of hotel quarantine. They are there for a total of 14 days, at which…

> To get to the truth of the matter, we will need to agree on what's actually happening. The phrase "concentration camp" provokes imagery of Nazi Germany, with overtones of the most egregious human rights violations.

Using the term "concentration camp" used to refer to nazi death camps is euphemistic. It really misses the core horror of the holocaust by drawing attention away from the death/extermination aspect of the camps and instead naming the camps for concentration (e.g. internment.)

"Not to be confused with concentration camp." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extermination_camp

The camps for Japanese-Americans during WW2 could be appropriately called concentration camps. Wikipedia redirects "concentration camp" to their page on internment, with this note: "Not to be confused with [...] extermination camp." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camp

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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I am also an Australian citizen although I have not lived there for many years now and after seeing what became of it during covid I intend to renounce it as soon as it is practical and I certainly never intend to return. With regards to the cover story, you do understand that in many previous deployments of military roundups and concentration camps, they were not accompanied by announcements of "we are the evil empi…

To get to the truth of the matter, we will need to agree on what's actually happening. The phrase "concentration camp" provokes imagery of Nazi Germany, with overtones of the most egregious human rights violations. What happened, in actuality, is that the Howard Springs mining camp was repurposed for quarantine. People have opted to go there instead of hotel quarantine. They are there for a total of 14 days, at which…

I understand the imagery is extremely disturbing, and the worst nightmares of the idea of a concentration camp, which are actually extermination camps, is not what is being executed at the moment by the Australian government, but the fact is, it's a concentration camp all the same. The idea existed long before Nazi Germany and has been executed many places outside it since. Even if it were absolutely true that every mitigating factor was at play here, the fact would still be that a precedent has now been set that the military can be used to round people up and put them in concentration camps.

As a civil libertarian myself, I think given the nature of governments, and in particular the Australian government, that precedent is something that should be horrifying enough to all observers, without extending it to the hyperbolic gesticulation of direct comparisons with the historical Nazi extermination camps, Soviet Gulags, Khmer Rouge killing fields, etc. And I believe that strongly enough that I'm planning to renounce my citizenship over it ASAP and would rather die than return. I cannot emphasize enough how disgusted I am by these events.

Further, the cover stories and reasons given just don't matter. Look at the reasons the Nazis gave for their concentration camps, it's not a long bow to draw; chief amongst them was disease control. Really think about the idiocy of offering alternative of even more expensive hotels to some of the poorest people in Australia as alternatives to said concentration camps, and then the cherry on top with the unique AU execution of the idea is that they actually have the nerve to bill the interns of said concentration camps anyway! 2.5k AUD per week for singles or 5k AUD for families.

I just can't believe this has actually happened, but when this entire covid event started, and the initial lockdowns dragged on and the AU government in general seemed intent on escalating degrees of authoritarianism, I drew a mental line in the sand and that line was military roundups and concentration camps, and no matter which way you slice it, the facts on the ground are that that's exactly where we are now. Even worse is that people I've known and respected my entire life, intelligent people in forums like this one, people like you in fact, and I do not intend at all to denigrate you by putting you in this group, but to draw attention to just how corrosive this kind of thing actually is to any kind of trust in a civil society, are defending, and even calling for the escalation of these tactics.

Meanwhile, no other country on the entire planet is doing this. Even the most egregious examples of Austria aren't going to these lengths. I really can't understand why anybody is trying to defend it, and even less so why they're calling for it to be escalated. I feel like I've stepped through the looking glass into crazy world.

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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Nope, wholly accurate

For people who arent familiar with Oz politics I'II fill in the blanks a bit to compensate for the selective partisan filter here. France was pissed of with Australia because they took a perfectly legal exit on a contract for submarines. This kind of staged contract is normal for large military tenders as once committed you are locked into an effective monopoly. So with each stage there is typically an exit path to k…

Australian exports to the European union will suffer. There will be no nuclear subs here for decades, if ever. We'll be given second hand dross before the new subs arrives., and it bears mentioning the French subs were nuclear, and retrofitted with diesel to meet this contract.

The French subs need recharging. The US and UK offer are single charge for life.

It's a five eyes con. We pissed off the Japanese to take the French deal and pissed off the French to take the US/British deal. This is childishly stupid politics about arms for 2030 or 2040.

Morrison won't be in power in two terms more. Normally Australian defence is bilateral. The libs under Abbot tore bilateralism apart.

I trust Macron less than I trust Merkel but more than I trust Johnson or Morrison.

France is muscling up. Look how they told the UK to fuck off over the cross channel policing meeting. Macron isn't taking any shit from anyone, he's occupying the power vacuum Merkel is leaving behind.

Stupid politics for an economically weak nation like Oz. We will gain little for this posture. Strike an own goal time. (Just like the TPP is better without Yankee distortions, and I have little doubt Morrison will usher the Americans back in, to our trade detriment. Every us au trade deal has materially disadvantaged Australian businesses)

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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>The online world should not be a wild west where bots and bigots and trolls and others are anonymously going around and can harm people I can't express how much I hate this. The online world SHOULD be a wild west, away from government reach, in my opinion.

Yes agreed. All the more so because it's a voluntary, pretend environment. There is a sibling post grasping to explain why the wild west was not as romantic as it seems and pretending the analogy holds for the internet. The post is silly, but at least the west was a real place that people had to live in. Acting like we need to monitor and regulate every corner of the internet is absurd, but then again, this is Austra…

No, it isn't voluntary or pretend. For most people today it's a natural extension of their lives, which they use daily, if not hourly. Where two decades ago you'd call a friend to talk, or send physical mail to communicate or physically go to a store or send mail to pay your taxes,today all of those are online. Most young people grow up with all of those things online and have never known anything else. For them, and those who grew up while things were changing, being offline is a option like going in exile in Siberia.

Heck, many people make their self worth based on Instagram or whatever, and many make their livelihoods online. The Internet is not what it was two decades ago, and pretending otherwise is foolish. It simply cannot remain the Wild West, like the real Wild West couldn't and didn't. Real life people are impacted, up to and including death (radicalisation and joining a terrorist group, or driven to suicide through harassmwnt, to name two "fun" ones)

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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post #85
post #64

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Nope, wholly accurate

For people who arent familiar with Oz politics I'II fill in the blanks a bit to compensate for the selective partisan filter here. France was pissed of with Australia because they took a perfectly legal exit on a contract for submarines. This kind of staged contract is normal for large military tenders as once committed you are locked into an effective monopoly. So with each stage there is typically an exit path to k…

The problem wasn't that the deal was cancelled, it was that the French were blindsided and didn't know. The text message leaked by Morrison (unprecedented bullshit!), shows that the French knew of issues (which they did of course, nobody is denying this), but the day before the public announcement of Aukus were asking for news, meaning they didn't know the contract will be cancelled. Morrison is so stupid he leaked a text message litteraly proving he lied.

Furthermore, nobody can really say if the choice was better. Theyd be comparing a programme in advanced design stage vs a purely theoretical "we'll buy subs based on US or UK design with US nuclear reactors". There's no design, no costs. If in 2050 Australia still has no nuclear subs which isn't impossible (they hve no nuclear infrastructure), it would have been the wrong choice.

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