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Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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Post by dools »

No-one tell Scott Morrison that the bots and trolls are all promoting the cause of his side of politics :S

Own goal anyone?

Also his stupid religious discrimination act is worse (or at least as bad) as this stupid law.

This is like the stupid movement from conservatives in the US against "big tech" despite the fact that social media manipulation is a core part of their political strategy, and they're against government regulation.

Right wing politics has become so muddied with libertarianism that they can't do anything now without hypocrisy.

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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Post by dools »

BFLpL0QNek wrote: post #50
bamboozled wrote: post #23

I read a lot of these wacko things coming out of Australia, but is any of it really enforced? Wasn't there a thing about banning encryption? I remember when Malcolm Turnbull made the quote: “The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia,” [1] https://www.newscientist.com/article/2140747-laws-of-mathema...

Australia is a highly compliant/obedient society. It’s also highly litigious, lots of fines for anything and anything. It’s the defamation capital of the world. Yes this will be enforced, it’ll be enforced selectively against critics of the current government. There is a video of the announcement with the current PM grinning and smirking in the background like a little kid when this is discussed https://www.reddit.co…

Australia litigious? No it's not.

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

#63

Post by dools »

dannyw wrote: post #11

Australians need an internet freedom party. While the "Keep Sydney Open Party" did not win any seats, it got so close that lockout laws (can't go into a bar or club after 1:30am, can't buy shots after midnight) finally got repealled.

Any party with "freedom" in it will just turn into yet another libertarian cess pool. The reason so much stupid policy comes out of Australia is because we keep voting for conservative politicians because our entire economy is based on real estate and mining. It's just a backwater parochial shithole.

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

#64

Post by dools »

lazyeye wrote: post #31
satori99 wrote: post #9

Scott Morrison made a big deal of his intention to use the recent meetings between world leaders to build an international consensus around this issue. Instead, he was humiliated when the president of France called him out as a liar over his mishandling of submarine contracts, and no one wanted to talk to him.

A very partisan take I think.

Nope, wholly accurate

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

etherael wrote: post #54
qwerty456127 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. I used yo be a total Internet freedom proponent and that's what I want for myself but now as everybody (of whom the majority is mentally unprepared) is on Facebook I admit it makes no sense - Internet kindergartens have to be there for the people who need them (and most of these people just naturally go to places like Facebook and Instagram).

The problem with this is that the mass of clueless kindergarten attendants are fed a steady diet of complete nonsense by curated and cultivated media outlets pushing very specific self serving narratives, which these obedient clueless drones in massive hordes then go out into the world and behave politically and economically exactly as those who treated them like the wind-up toy soldiers they actually are intended. A…

Your first two paragraphs are spot on, your last one demonstrates clearly that Facebook posts are not a reliable source of information.

There are no concentration camps, no military round ups, and no forced medication* in Australia.

* There is no vaccine mandate per se, but some types of businesses face fines for admitting non-vaccinated people onto the premises. You might call this a de facto mandate, others have certainly made that point.

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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Post by fallingknife »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #32
gcau wrote: post #2

>The online world should not be a wild west where bots and bigots and trolls and others are anonymously going around and can harm people I can't express how much I hate this. The online world SHOULD be a wild west, away from government reach, in my opinion.

There should be both. There should be wild free parts for grownups who can't easily be traumatized, manipulated or tricked and also fenced gardens for those vulnerable (kids, grannies, religious etc whoever is easily trollable). Places where every non-techie goes nowadays (i.e. Facebook) should be censored and guarded strictly, the rest should be free and wild.

Yes I'm sure those non-techies would happily agree that they need to be censored but we do not.

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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Post by cube00 »

bamboozled wrote: post #23

I read a lot of these wacko things coming out of Australia, but is any of it really enforced? Wasn't there a thing about banning encryption? I remember when Malcolm Turnbull made the quote: “The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia,” [1] https://www.newscientist.com/article/2140747-laws-of-mathema...

They came down hard on a defamatory tweet this week https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-24/peter-dutton-wins-def...

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

#68

Post by cube00 »

dannyw wrote: post #11

Australians need an internet freedom party. While the "Keep Sydney Open Party" did not win any seats, it got so close that lockout laws (can't go into a bar or club after 1:30am, can't buy shots after midnight) finally got repealled.

The problem with "single issue" parties is there's a whole range of other matters we also need representation on and they abstain from voting on those (or just vote with the government) so you lose your local representation.

An example from the bullet train party:

What are your other policies?

− Getting a Bullet Train for Canberra is our policy

− We aren’t trying to form government and run the whole show

https://the-riotact.com/meet-the-bullet-trainers/84110

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

#69

Post by fallingknife »

dools wrote: post #61

No-one tell Scott Morrison that the bots and trolls are all promoting the cause of his side of politics :S Own goal anyone? Also his stupid religious discrimination act is worse (or at least as bad) as this stupid law. This is like the stupid movement from conservatives in the US against "big tech" despite the fact that social media manipulation is a core part of their political strategy, and they're against governme…

Everyone thinks the other side is bots and trolls. This is necessary to nominally believe in democracy but also think you should always get your way. Easy if you are always in the majority and the other side only looks like it has support because of "bots and trolls."

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

#70

Post by etherael »

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #65
etherael wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with this is that the mass of clueless kindergarten attendants are fed a steady diet of complete nonsense by curated and cultivated media outlets pushing very specific self serving narratives, which these obedient clueless drones in massive hordes then go out into the world and behave politically and economically exactly as those who treated them like the wind-up toy soldiers they actually are intended. A…

Your first two paragraphs are spot on, your last one demonstrates clearly that Facebook posts are not a reliable source of information. There are no concentration camps, no military round ups, and no forced medication* in Australia. * There is no vaccine mandate per se, but some types of businesses face fines for admitting non-vaccinated people onto the premises. You might call this a de facto mandate, others have ce…

> There are no concentration camps, no military round ups

Yes there are, not a troll, straight from the horse's mouth so to speak. https://youtu.be/vQok3GMMSAI

> and no forced medication* in Australia.

That part is true but I never said there were yet. I said clueless information walled gardens were constantly advocating for them with very little push back exactly because they're in walled gardens where that is the narrative they want pushed.

> There is no vaccine mandate per se, but some types of businesses face fines for admitting non-vaccinated people onto the premises. You might call this a de facto mandate, others have certainly made that point.

I do think it is to an extent. But there's definitely a gap between that and forcibly injecting people against their will, and that is what I was seeing many posts advocating for along with those military round ups and concentration camps that are already facts on the ground and are only being varnished with more PR friendly labels just like they were in every single deployment in history.

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