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Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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Scott Morrison made a big deal of his intention to use the recent meetings between world leaders to build an international consensus around this issue. Instead, he was humiliated when the president of France called him out as a liar over his mishandling of submarine contracts, and no one wanted to talk to him.

A very partisan take I think.

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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post #2

>The online world should not be a wild west where bots and bigots and trolls and others are anonymously going around and can harm people I can't express how much I hate this. The online world SHOULD be a wild west, away from government reach, in my opinion.

There should be both. There should be wild free parts for grownups who can't easily be traumatized, manipulated or tricked and also fenced gardens for those vulnerable (kids, grannies, religious etc whoever is easily trollable). Places where every non-techie goes nowadays (i.e. Facebook) should be censored and guarded strictly, the rest should be free and wild.

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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post #2

>The online world should not be a wild west where bots and bigots and trolls and others are anonymously going around and can harm people I can't express how much I hate this. The online world SHOULD be a wild west, away from government reach, in my opinion.

>trolls

I hate their usage of 'troll' too. To me, 'troll' means a guy who argues about 0.9 bar not equaling 1 in a math forum. I have no idea what the hell these people mean when they say 'troll'.

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The online world SHOULD be a wild west, away from government reach, in my opinion. I would agree to an extent, but I think there are a few examples where the government should step in. Child porn being the biggest.

All of the things where this legitimately applies are things that aren't really happening on the internet. They're happening in some specific place. Are there pedophiles abusing children in your country? Then go arrest them. They won't be posting anything on the internet while they're in prison. Are there pedophiles abusing children in some other country? That is that country's problem, not yours. Nothing about the i…

>Are there pedophiles abusing children in your country? Then go arrest them. They won't be posting anything on the internet while they're in prison.

And how do you stop the spread of the child porn already on the internet? Just leave it up since you can arrest people who make it or consume it?

There are other things the government should probably stop as well. C&C servers for malware. What is your solution when the people involved in malware are in another country and that country isn't taking care of the problem?

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

#35
post #2

>The online world should not be a wild west where bots and bigots and trolls and others are anonymously going around and can harm people I can't express how much I hate this. The online world SHOULD be a wild west, away from government reach, in my opinion.

I actually like this. The companies can be forced and the users can learn to shield themselves. I obviously see the threat that perhaps my own currently benign opinions can be civilly and criminally sanctionable in the future. But I think this isn't an absurd predictable use of state power: regulate the intermediaries. Let individuals know there are consequences. Maybe people don't actually believe the things they ar…

What could possibly be the consequence for lying?

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually like this. The companies can be forced and the users can learn to shield themselves. I obviously see the threat that perhaps my own currently benign opinions can be civilly and criminally sanctionable in the future. But I think this isn't an absurd predictable use of state power: regulate the intermediaries. Let individuals know there are consequences. Maybe people don't actually believe the things they ar…

What could possibly be the consequence for lying?

Believe it or not, jail.

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

#37
post #2

>The online world should not be a wild west where bots and bigots and trolls and others are anonymously going around and can harm people I can't express how much I hate this. The online world SHOULD be a wild west, away from government reach, in my opinion.

>trolls I hate their usage of 'troll' too. To me, 'troll' means a guy who argues about 0.9 bar not equaling 1 in a math forum. I have no idea what the hell these people mean when they say 'troll'.

i am afraid that what they mean by troll is code for anyone who disagrees with their narrative

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The online world SHOULD be a wild west, away from government reach, in my opinion. I would agree to an extent, but I think there are a few examples where the government should step in. Child porn being the biggest.

Laws for that sort of thing already exist, so that's obviously not what they're talking about when they say "unmask trolls". It's clear these Australian politicians are authoritarians who are upset about people insulting them online.

Of course laws already exist and the laws give the government the power to remove servers and other things like that. This means the current laws prevent the web from being the wild west.

Just to be clear, I am against this law, but trying to say we should have the wild west seems like a bad idea.

Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls

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post #2

>The online world should not be a wild west where bots and bigots and trolls and others are anonymously going around and can harm people I can't express how much I hate this. The online world SHOULD be a wild west, away from government reach, in my opinion.

>trolls I hate their usage of 'troll' too. To me, 'troll' means a guy who argues about 0.9 bar not equaling 1 in a math forum. I have no idea what the hell these people mean when they say 'troll'.

But 0.9 bar isn't equal to 1. Oh! I see what you did there!

I think they are using it to mean something closer to "cyberbully", maybe.

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