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It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
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Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
#22Endless variants, endless boosters, endless profits.
No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. Having broad and long-lasting antibody and T-cell immunity is bad for profits and continuing this state of affairs.
Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
#23Endless variants, endless boosters, endless profits. No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. Having broad and long-lasting antibody and T-cell immunity is bad for profits and continuing this state of affairs.
> No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. Having broad and long-lasting antibody and T-cell immunity is bad for profits and continuing this state of affairs.
What's this based on ? Is there some R-value or Mortality ratio at which natural immunity is better ? Besides vaccines are cheap, nowehere expensive enough to put a dent in people's pockets.
Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
#24Endless variants, endless boosters, endless profits. No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. Having broad and long-lasting antibody and T-cell immunity is bad for profits and continuing this state of affairs.
If someone could make a vaccine that worked forever they would.
Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
We definitely noticed the 2009-2010 swine flu pandemic, it just wasn't as deadly as COVID. Most pandemics in past memory have been minor in nature. We likely were aware of them, but didn't feel their impact because they caused mild illness or were limited in scope (eg, with SARS, ebola) and didn't directly impact people's lives. COVID does impact people's lives and the closest referent we have is the Spanish flu in 1…
> Spanish flu in 1918 How many people you know died of COVID? The spanish flu had roughly 1 death every 2/3 families. Honestly you are comparing a firecracker to a nuclear weapon, and if you want to do that, then you have to produce the proofs.
> Honestly you are comparing a firecracker to a nuclear weapon, and if you want to do that, then you have to produce the proofs.
The relatively few deaths from Covid are a testament to the effectiveness of the preventive measures and vaccines, not an indication that it is a firecracker. Hospitals would have absolutely been overrun (remember the "flatten the curve" slogans?) and people, unable to get treatment, would have died at 2 to 5 times the current rate.
We're at 5 million deaths worldwide and counting (you call that a firecracker??), it could have been a lot higher.
Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
#26Endless variants, endless boosters, endless profits. No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. Having broad and long-lasting antibody and T-cell immunity is bad for profits and continuing this state of affairs.
> No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed.
What does this mean? Who or what is suppressing natural immunity? SARS-CoV-2? Some country's government? Some company?
Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
#27Endless variants, endless boosters, endless profits. No wonder natural immunity is being suppressed. Having broad and long-lasting antibody and T-cell immunity is bad for profits and continuing this state of affairs.
Suppressed by whom?
You think eg. my local belgian government has a vested interest in butchering its own economy so some american drug company can make profits?
Or is it more likely that they're pushing vaccines over natural immunity because the former doesn't involve furthering spread and risk of hospitalization as a prerequisite for getting it?
Please think before going full tinfoil.
Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Spanish flu in 1918 How many people you know died of COVID? The spanish flu had roughly 1 death every 2/3 families. Honestly you are comparing a firecracker to a nuclear weapon, and if you want to do that, then you have to produce the proofs.
> Honestly you are comparing a firecracker to a nuclear weapon, and if you want to do that, then you have to produce the proofs. Only if you've already decided COVID is a firecracker. Most people, especially early on, had no pandemic in their memories that occurred at the scale of COVID and were stuck figuring out exactly what their attitude should be towards it and how to interpret the government health intervention…
> The estimated percentage of the US population that died to the 1918 flu is 0.64% (using the estimate of 675k from the 1918 flu) vs 0.23% for COVID so far (eg 770k US deaths)
1) 675k in 1918? make it 1M, perhaps more. Also every COVID death is a COVID death, a flu death back then could be ascribed to anything. People say Nigeria and Brazil and India COVID figures aren't reliable, how is 1918 US stats reliable?
2) But the most important statistic is number of years trimmed off the life of every victim. 1918 flu trimmed as many years as the WW1, perhaps more as it attacked the same cohort. How many months is COVID trimming off the lives of people who perish?
In 99% of instances between 12 and 48
Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
#29Covid is just a symptom of bigger underlying epidemic: It's an epidemic of depression and anxiety ravaging through society, which doesn't spare anybody. I became interested in Sweden's approach of not doing anything at all , per the John Hopkins University website COVID deaths in Sweden are 15,000. 15k in 2 years, now how many months/weeks were trimmed off those people's lives? Note that I said months/weeks, not year…
Peru effectively didn't do anything at all and it has the highest death rate of all countries.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/11/27/1057387...
Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Spanish flu in 1918 How many people you know died of COVID? The spanish flu had roughly 1 death every 2/3 families. Honestly you are comparing a firecracker to a nuclear weapon, and if you want to do that, then you have to produce the proofs.
The Spanish flu of 1918 killed ~675k people in the US [0] and the US population was 105M [1], so the Spanish flu killed off a bit more than 0.6% of the entire US population, or about 1 in 150 people. Despite massive improvements in sanitation and ability to distance from others, COVID has still killed a bit more than 0.2% of the entire US population in the past 2 years. These pandemics are comparable. [0] https://www…
Covid is going to end up killing a lot more people too.