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It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Covid is just a symptom of bigger underlying epidemic:

It's an epidemic of depression and anxiety ravaging through society, which doesn't spare anybody.

I became interested in Sweden's approach of not doing anything at all , per the John Hopkins University website COVID deaths in Sweden are 15,000.

15k in 2 years, now how many months/weeks were trimmed off those people's lives? Note that I said months/weeks, not years.

Back in the 1990s or the 2000s we'd have not even noticed that COVID even existed, not to mention the 1970s and 1980s.

How many COVIDs came and went through the human history without us noticing?

Diseases and virus didn't change. We did. We are much more depressed and anxious.

The end all be all seems to be existing, not living.

To avoid any downside risk in order to stay around. If you plan your life with the goal of staying around, pretty soon you would not want to stay around any longer.

Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Covid is just a symptom of bigger underlying epidemic: It's an epidemic of depression and anxiety ravaging through society, which doesn't spare anybody. I became interested in Sweden's approach of not doing anything at all , per the John Hopkins University website COVID deaths in Sweden are 15,000. 15k in 2 years, now how many months/weeks were trimmed off those people's lives? Note that I said months/weeks, not year…

Why do you think we wouldn't have noticed it in the 90's and 2000's? When hospitals fill up, people are definitely going to notice. There were flu outbreaks in the 60's and 70's and people noticed.

When comparing "different approaches" you need to look at many factors: population density, environment (average temperature), living conditions (like multi-generational families living together.) Countries are not directly comparable for this reason.

Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Is original antigenic sin due to prior vaccination or natural infection a concern for developing a new vaccine for this variant? Or perhaps the B.1.1.529 spike is so different that the original antibodies won't bind to it, even ineffectively? Or is there a way to design the new vaccine explicitly so that antibodies produced by prior strains can't bind the new antigens?

Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Covid is just a symptom of bigger underlying epidemic: It's an epidemic of depression and anxiety ravaging through society, which doesn't spare anybody. I became interested in Sweden's approach of not doing anything at all , per the John Hopkins University website COVID deaths in Sweden are 15,000. 15k in 2 years, now how many months/weeks were trimmed off those people's lives? Note that I said months/weeks, not year…

Why do you think we wouldn't have noticed it in the 90's and 2000's? When hospitals fill up, people are definitely going to notice. There were flu outbreaks in the 60's and 70's and people noticed. When comparing "different approaches" you need to look at many factors: population density, environment (average temperature), living conditions (like multi-generational families living together.) Countries are not directl…

> There were flu outbreaks in the 60's and 70's and people noticed

No, they didn't. The population back then wasn't as depressed and anxious as today's population.

They didn't extrapolate figures and trends and charts. They were not bombarded by news on 5 different screen devices.

They'd notice when 5,6,7 or even 10 people they knew, and in the same age/health cohort as them would become incapacitated for more than 4 weeks, but in order to really notice it the same amount of people would have to be dying from the disease.

How many people you know became incapacitated for more than 4 weeks because of COVID? 2 years into it how many died?

Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Covid is just a symptom of bigger underlying epidemic: It's an epidemic of depression and anxiety ravaging through society, which doesn't spare anybody. I became interested in Sweden's approach of not doing anything at all , per the John Hopkins University website COVID deaths in Sweden are 15,000. 15k in 2 years, now how many months/weeks were trimmed off those people's lives? Note that I said months/weeks, not year…

Why do you think we wouldn't have noticed it in the 90's and 2000's? When hospitals fill up, people are definitely going to notice. There were flu outbreaks in the 60's and 70's and people noticed. When comparing "different approaches" you need to look at many factors: population density, environment (average temperature), living conditions (like multi-generational families living together.) Countries are not directl…

Also: don’t confuse the actions of Swedes with the inaction of their officials.

Re: It will take 100 days to tailor a vaccine to a new variant

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Covid is just a symptom of bigger underlying epidemic: It's an epidemic of depression and anxiety ravaging through society, which doesn't spare anybody. I became interested in Sweden's approach of not doing anything at all , per the John Hopkins University website COVID deaths in Sweden are 15,000. 15k in 2 years, now how many months/weeks were trimmed off those people's lives? Note that I said months/weeks, not year…

Sweden didn't do nothing. Most of the streets were empty for all of 2020. Everyone that could work from home started doing so. People avoided social contact and travel. It imposed entry bans, and 68% of its population are now fully vaccinated, 80% ages 16 and up.

I think people underestimate social awareness, even if there is no official restrictions, people have their own worries and take their own precautions.

This makes it very hard to actually learn anything useful from Sweden's policy in my opinion. Because we're not so much interested with the official policies, more so with the actual behavior of the people and what worked or didn't with regards to that.

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