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What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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Re: What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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What was your original comment?

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> Edit: Revealing dirty political ploys and get downvoted... I have no idea what HN readers are upholding now...

"Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I especially don't appreciate the guilt-tripping in your comment.

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> Both Chinese and Americans are more or less equally propagandized This implies that the US government has total control over all domestic news outlets, a great firewall that censors the national internet and helps to find and remove references to embarrassing government incidents, policy that requires all companies to hand over all user data to the state unencrypted without a warrant, and a social credit system tha…

> This implies... No, it doesn't. Americans are more or less equally propagandized, but in different (and less transparent) ways.

...which you've provided exactly zero evidence for. Please provide concrete evidence of propaganda that's equal in magnitude to the things described above.

Otherwise, yes, it rather does imply, because there are very few things similar to the CCP's social credit system that have the same effect, and even fewer that could be deployed in the US without immediately being noticed.

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yes, you're right. There is a view of European history that sees the Roman Empire mutate into the Holy Roman Empire and maintain control over much of Europe for thousands of years (I guess from the end of the Republic in 27BC to the last Holy Roman Emperor in 1806, so not quite "thousands").

It depends what you mean with "roman empire mutate". HRE had no connection to the Roman Empire besides approval by the papacy. Meanwhile, other "nations" entitled their ruler as a successor, bestowing upon them the title of Caesar, Kaiser, Tsar. So, you can link it up until the fall of Imperial Russia. Or you can even keep it up to today with Romania, or even Turkey. When Constantinople fell, there were no lack of cl…

I'm always fascinated by the idea that some political genius way back in the 4th century realised that the Roman Empire was doomed as a military empire, but could survive as a church (of all things), and then managed to persuade everyone that this was a good idea and get it done. The Roman Empire changed its previous policy of wide tolerance regarding religion, adopted what had been a weird cult as the state religion, and survived its military annihilation (at least in the West - as you say, the story in the East is different).

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Which means you're an active lurker there and saw his name often?

>Which means you're an active lurker there and saw his name often? I guess what you're trying to ask me is "How do you know that?"? But rather than trusting any more of my claims, I suggest that you simply visit Reddit and look: You will see exactly the same unusual user name; with the same interests as here in various diverse topics; and the same writing style Really, I think the initial question about the OP's beha…

I think it's fair to call out people who are spreading disinformation. I see the same patterns among some posters here and on reddit.

The two commenters above recommended youtube channels that A. are very low quality, B. repeat state media talking points verbatim, and C. are made by people who don't even speak Chinese, so they don't actually understand what is actually happening around them in their daily lives.

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One could make a similar argument and generalize about Europeans and claim European unity exists because for most of the past 2,000 years practically all states in Europe were under the influence of the Catholic church in some way or another. China's history is as complicated as any other similarly sized territory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:China_Dynasties.gif and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chi…

yes, you're right. There is a view of European history that sees the Roman Empire mutate into the Holy Roman Empire and maintain control over much of Europe for thousands of years (I guess from the end of the Republic in 27BC to the last Holy Roman Emperor in 1806, so not quite "thousands").

almost no one seriously thinks of European history like that, except as a fun thought exercise.

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Perhaps women are also better at speaking truth to power.

I can't help but wonder this myself, although I don't think it is safe/easy to say this with confidence - but if you look at Jane Jacobs, Hannah Arendt, Simone Weil, Rosa Luxemburg, Chelsea Manning and others, I sometimes think about whether being in the historically weaker societal role sharpens your insight and moral cohones. I don't believe there's enough evidence to say it's there, but I would buy a story that we…

Only the wealthy and powerful, The Right, can afford the luxury of being truly stupid. The Left can never afford not to be as smart and pragmatic. This is why reality is always left-leaning.

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> Edit: Revealing dirty political ploys and get downvoted... I have no idea what HN readers are upholding now... "Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I especially don't appreciate the guilt-tripping in your comment.

> Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

Before you automatically cite some site guideline, think it a moment about what happens when a community is collectively positioned with some mental disease. And see how this rule is literally prevent the community from criticizing its own behavior.

> guilt-tripping

If someone just downvote a informational piece written by someone who clearly demonstrated specific understanding on the topic, then calling them out and let me feel a bit guilty about their lack of patience, isn't that a good service to them?

Re: What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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> Edit: Revealing dirty political ploys and get downvoted... I have no idea what HN readers are upholding now... "Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I especially don't appreciate the guilt-tripping in your comment.

> Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. Before you automatically cite some site guideline, think it a moment about what happens when a community is collectively positioned with some mental disease. And see how this rule is literally prevent the community from criticizing its own behavior. > guilt-tripping If someone just downvote a informational piece…

You went way beyond the acceptable limits in this thread. I've defended you in the past because I know you're in a tough minority position in this community, but you can't do this sort of flamewar on HN.

Also, it's seriously against HN's rules to use the site primarily to argue about one thing—especially when it's a political or nationalistic issue. We need you to stop doing that and to use HN as intended—for curious conversation about a variety of things.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

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It's fine if you don't think it's relevant. I am posting for those who do think it's relevant.

When I asked "how is the content of her post relevant here ?" I meant: how is the content of the post relevant with regards to your assertion that the media's reporting has been incomplete? I also asked you what specifically has been lacking in those media reports. You are not just posting this information to share it. You are making a claim that the media's reporting has been incomplete, which claim you have not sub…

The whole context.

Re: What Peng Shuai reveals about one-party rule

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When I asked "how is the content of her post relevant here ?" I meant: how is the content of the post relevant with regards to your assertion that the media's reporting has been incomplete? I also asked you what specifically has been lacking in those media reports. You are not just posting this information to share it. You are making a claim that the media's reporting has been incomplete, which claim you have not sub…

The whole context.

I’m sorry, but what aspect of the context has been missing from the reporting? There was nothing in the post that you shared that I haven’t read about elsewhere in western media, with regards to the facts.

That is, except perhaps for the emotional anguish that the poor woman was feeling, which can only really be discerned from her writing. The pain that led her to write this simply cannot be expressed accurately except through her own words.

Is that what you meant? That the western media has not painted a sympathetic enough picture of Peng Shuai? That the media has been too deferential to the Chinese government in not giving her voice a platform?

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